Deontay Wilder...top ten victories

Stiverne was handed the title and has zero good wins to his name.

 

Was he? I can’t remember. Was he given it like Wardley?

 

Ortiz 2, Ortiz.......... rest.

 

Stiverne was the least qualified champion possibly ever. He got handed a belt for winning rematch of his 1st eliteish win. There was never a 2nd one. He wasn't large, imposing or dominant in his wins. He wasn't undefeated, he didn't have one loss. There was really no basis there to get that shot.

Theres about 400-500 HW non champions with better resumes. I might be undercounting it.

 

Worse. At least Wardley v Huni was two undefeateds random af a matchup as it was. Stiverne got a rematch of his first decent win at the regional level(which he struggled in) for the world title.

The comp would be a world title rematch of Wardley v Frazer Clarke or Adeleye.

 

Wardley got usyks title over email, as he was the interim. Hardly an impressive way to take usyks belt

 

You were saying about an opponent not being good enough for one, but good enough for the other
You said people had been critical and I said was it because....

I haven't said anything.
Please see my posts.
I put forward some suggestions and asked if the criticism was because of....

Your comparison above isn't one that I would really use as often a world title can ge valued by it's champion and Fury and Joshua were both fighting title fights against Klitschko
Wilder wasn't
In Joshua's case, he was also facing Povetkin, Parker and Whyte all at a much shorter time

I do agree that fighters can be brought forward with different strategies
I often think at HW, they are pushed too quickly in the UK and get more shop worn and worn down
I think Wilder was brought on very well and possibly wouldn't have had as much of a good long amount of learning fights
The British HW title is very prestigious and fighters have tremendous battles for that title

Just look at some of the fights in recent times for that very title

Undefeated Fury vs Undefeated Chisora
Undefeated Joshua vs Undefeated Whyte
Undefeated Joyce vs Undefeated Dubois
Undefeated Dubois vs Undefeated Gorman
Undefeated Wardley vs Undefeated Clarke

To name just a few

It's a tough road just to get passed British HW level, so yes, I agree and think it can be beneficial for a fighter to not have to have such a tough road and be brought along gradually


Edit
Just look at the road Wardley has had.
Very tough
Now in answer to something else you wrote about the same fighter being good enough for one but not the other, I would guess you must be very impressed with Wardley facing Molina in only his 11th fight

In only 21 fights, Wardley has had some massive wars and fought Parker, Huni, Clarke twice, Gorman, Undefeated big punching Adeleye, Webb

Very impressive but very tough

 

Hindsight is a wonderful think, but it doesn't play a role in compiling Ring Magazine rankings.

 

We can apply basic common sense to rankings. There is no reason to believe Kownacki was ever top 10 or top 15 in reality. His rating was due to people using guesswork in a division where the top guys or allegedly top guys generally won't fight each other.

 

No. He beat Chris Arreola’s ass for a vacant belt.

 

The “disease” you speak of (rhabdomyalosis) was his body’s response to eating twelve rounds worth of punches from Wilder.