Deontay Wilder v Ali`s top 15 opponents how would he fare?

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  1. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It’s hard to find anything truthful in his posts
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder sucks, his resume sucks, and your logic is atrocious. Bowe would have ended him early LOL
     
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  3. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bowe couldn't end Larry Donald early, or Andrew Golota, or Tony Tubbs, etc
     
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  4. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because all 3 of those fighters either

    A. Have a solid chin
    B. Are SIGNIFICANTLY more skilled than Wilder
    Or C. Have FAR better defense.
    Or all 3.
    Wilder would leave his chin hanging out like he did against Molina and get brutalized by Bowe round by round even if it didn't end early. Wilder would not handle the pressure or the superior infighting that Bowe would bring LOL. Bowe is overrated but make no mistake, he's levels above Wilder, only good win being an old contender, one trick pony, mediocre jab. He sucks.

    Larry Donald would actually be Wilder's best win. It's hilarious
     
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  5. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Holyfield was a much lighter puncher than Fury (38% KO ratio against 215+ lbs opponents while highly aggressive and making his HW debut at 26 vs 68% KO ratio against 215+ lbs opponents while typically defensive and making his debut at 20) and Fury is much more capable of getting opponents into position to be finished. He can use mauling tactics along with his giant frame to drain his opponent's stamina (stamina being energy aka the basis of all physical action) which is what he did for 3 rounds to ATG/GOAT puncher Wilder even after the first KD. None of the old 6'2 cruisers you can name are even close to Fury's level so it's a ridiculous comparison.
     
  6. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Grossly obese Kownacki, fat Arreola and obese Miller can throw far more punches against each other in 12 rounds than Ali and Frazier could in 15. Fat doesn't mean you have a bad gas tank, it actually seems to be correlated with a good gas tank at a high level but I referred to Frazier as overweight because he had a tiny frame: if in shape and cutting a bit he could easily be a LHW today. Anyone who thinks this half-blind fat cruiser/LHW wouldn't get terminated by top HW's today is an extreme nostalgist and/or an ignoramus.
     
  7. jmb1356

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    They would all cheat in even more egregious ways than Fury! We would need three different agencies to watch Norton or Frazier put on their gloves.
     
  8. RacingBeat

    RacingBeat Casual lives matter Full Member

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    Frazier would rip Arreola up, club fighter against an ATG
     
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  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Levels
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Holy threw more punches, Fury couldn`t have stopped Tyson. Fury`s KO ratio is bad, Holy would have stopped most of the 9 fighters that went the distance with Fury,
    Wins 30
    Wins by KO 21
     
  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WTF?!?! Hope you are being sarcastic o_O
     
  12. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Frazier was a 5'10, half-blind, blown-up light heavyweight from an obsolete era. Yes he beat Ali but Ali is the most overrated fighter of all time, hence Frazier is massively overrated. 6'2, 250 lbs contender Arreola had good KO power against modern HW's and could flatten Frazier in a couple of rounds as Foreman did.
     
  13. NEETzschean

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    So Fury's 68% KO ratio against modern HW's is bad but Holyfield's 38% ratio isn't? Consider that Holyfield was highly aggressive and turned HW at 26, while Fury has largely been a defensive boxer and made his HW debut at 20. Had Fury turned pro at 24 like AJ or 25.5 like Vitali, he would have had a 96% KO ratio pre-Wlad if he wanted it, only Kevin might go the distance.

    The small, massively pumped-up Mike Tyson had an awful gas tank and a highly frenetic young man's style which sapped his stamina even faster. Even prime Tyson went many rounds or the distance with something like 8 journeymen and fringe contenders, some of them chinny but virtually all of them big. And Holyfield didn't beat prime Tyson! He beat the post-Douglas, post-over 4 years inactive in prison, wrong side of 30 Tyson. Not only is Fury objectively a bigger puncher than Holyfield, he has the physical tools to size bully Tyson, drain his gas tank down to nothing in a 2-3 rounds and break his will. Prime Tyson would get stopped in the mid rounds.
     
  14. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well I agree that Ali from 70 ies was considerably worse than even prime shape Huck versions with 0 doubts.
    Ate bombs and being officiated under King this was what this was. Octopus opponent and maul, holding, trash talking.
    Ate bombs. Good chin, ATG chin. Nothing more.
    Interestingly how people does not see Octopus and Klit in Ali from 70 ies or a dirtyboxer?
    Big surname, yeah. LOL.
    Boxers like Okolie could deal with this shadow from 70 ies easily and quickly.
    Big name and ATG from 60 ies, in 70 ies was just rude man with tough chin and under King Uncle.

    Comfortable? Drag Foreman to Zaire and no rematch.
    Needs to win in rematch? There is Norton trilogy, Frazier and cos not enough : drag Frazier to Manila.
     
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  15. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'd be amazed if Wilder managed to survive 5 rounds with Hunter nevermind Bowe.
     
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