Deontay Wilder v Ali`s top 15 opponents how would he fare?

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  1. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Eh i don't know about hunter, better wording would have been him not surviving 5 with Joshua, nevermind Bowe lol
     
  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder actually does have not bad chin and better gas tank than A.J.
    When I watched Hunter vs 40 y.o " legless " uncle Povetkin's version, I have no doubts that Wilder might survive even 15 rounds vs Hunter.

    While who might win this one> we all know Wilder's and Hunter's flaws.
    They should fight and then we will see who will win this one.
    Actually such matchup might be well sold and for me will be interesting to watch.
     
  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You seem to look at boxing stats like video game stats, trying to match and compare apples and oranges.
     
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  4. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    It's apples and oranges because the lower-tech, geographically protected pre-2000's were weaker than modern global eras but objective stats are more useful in discovering truth than nostalgia.
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No...your current stats only apply to current fighters. Hence the much overused phrase, 'Styles make fights.'
    What one guy did to another means ****all when talking about two completely different boxers. Today's HW era is the worst i've seen in nearly 30+ years.
     
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  6. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well of course people does have nostalgia.

    While now we do have internet and global market. It is cool.

    It is very difficult to make top level fights, especially in HW division.
    Boxers who are taking fights with top cats in row turns into " lads with tons of lost fights " like Chisora, while divas are worshiped and cherry pickers are called as future ATG fighters.

    Even Hunter vs Hrgovic had not been done.
    There is the same Usyk and Parker.
    Who had agreed to fight with them? Again Chisora.
     
  7. NEETzschean

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    If Holyfield was a light puncher against smaller, less well-conditioned 90's HW's he would have been an even lighter puncher today, so I agree it's apples and oranges. If prime Tyson is struggling with inferior big men then he would generally get destroyed by superior giants. But you incapsulate the ignorant and emotional attitude of worshipping obsolete past fighters who are too small to compete successfully at the top level today and have been since the 90's.
     
  8. NEETzschean

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    There's always been lots of ducking and there were even more bum fights in the past: people didn't realise this to the same degree because there was no youtube or boxrec. In 20 years boxing fans will look back on this era and say it was a golden age and that the present is terrible by comparison etc. It is what it is.
     
  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ali could take Shavers power and Shavers hit harder than most modern heavies, Spinks was light heavy that moved up to heavy and Frazier hit harder than him, he also hit harder than Holyfield who moved up from cruiser, Frazier would have destroyed Wilder because bobbed weaved his head after punching while Wilder just stands in front of his opponents after punching, plus he weighed less than Ali in his first fight v Fury, his legs are far thinner than Ali`s were, also Frazier destroyed Foster one of the hardest hitting light heavies of all-time.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Larry Holmes was better than any modern heavyweight and had an 84 inch reach as did Liston, during Holmes era you had amazing fighters like Hearns and Hagler at the lower weights, however this era is far better than 5 years ago when heavyweights were pretty average.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Hunter doesn`t have Bowe`s power and got his ears boxed off by Usyk.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Tyson was a better combo puncher than any modern heavyweight.
     
  13. NEETzschean

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    Frazier's KO % against modern-sized HW's was awful and these guys were carthorses by today's standards. I don't think that Spinks, Holyfield or Foster had good HW power and Ali (at least when he was more mature and fatter) had a good chin. Frazier can bob and weave as much as he likes: Wilder would hit him once from distance and he'd collapse in a heap on the floor. Foreman was a massive puncher in the 70's but he'd just be another run of the mill big puncher today, Wilder is outstanding in an era of far bigger punchers.
     
  14. NEETzschean

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    Both of those reach stats are fake. Jennings actually has an 84 inch reach but at 6'2, 225-230 lbs, he's still a small HW today. Liston at 6', 215 lbs with an 80.5 inch reach would be tiny as well as slow but he was a "size bully" back in the 60's lol.
     
  15. NEETzschean

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    Maybe so but the 6'4 ultra-chinny journeyman Jose Ribalta still took him to the 10th and many others went the distance in his prime. Tyson had some great attributes but he had serious flaws. He was a very all-or-nothing, one-dimensional fighter.