Deontay Wilder v James Jeffries

sorry wrong date

 

how come your arent picking wilder due to "boxing evolution"? or does boxing not evolve in black people for you (apart from the numerous black people who destroyed klitschkos of course).

 

Sorry I couldn't resist it.

 

Sharkey was a 5'8" 185lbs brawler with no science at all, he came straight at you for as long as he could, not very long if you were Bob Fitzsimmons who kod him twice!
Sharkey was handicapped with a broken finger in their second fight . Bottom line in a total 45 rds Jeffries could not stop him despite huge weight and height advantages! Sharkey being a Hall Of Famer means JACK SH*T, he would be destroyed by today's top super heavies!
Wilder is stopping superheavyweights not super middles!Certainly not old men coming out of extended retirement!
Jeffries power is built on stopping Fitzimmons 37 &39 years old coming out of retirement and weighing less than 180lbs! Corbett 33 & 36 and 188lbs /183lbs again coming out of retirement. Prime Corbett was ko'd by one punch from157lbs Fitzsimmons ! Dsq'd against Sharkey when his second entered the ring to prevent him being ko'd.
What it means is .
I'm picking Wilder to beat a man who always enjoyed tremendous physical advantages in his fights and very often a huge age disparity too! A man who relied on being able to take the punches of these older,smaller men and then gradually wear them down.That would not be the scenario here!

 

I'll let rest of the board clean you up with some short facts that you can understand. I can show you lesser men that Tyson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano, and Foreman could not KO either.

If you want to believe in ( Wilder ) a glass jawed, 18" piped legged, highly protected alphabet champion who won't even fight anyone in the top ten ( Because he's a fraud ), and think such as person would be an all time great...you'll be sure to have many laughing at you here.

I may choose to bump this thread if Wilder ever faces a top ten guy and gets clipped, but at his rate of selecting fringe contenders that might not happen for a while.

 

What you cannot do is refute anything I've said because it's true!
Just like the corrections I gave you on your silly statement about Peter Jackson!lol
I originally gave two scenarios for this fight with both winning a fight.

Jeffries is an all time great, so was Fitzsimmons ,does that mean they could/would be champion today?
Fact .Jeffries relied on his durability, his ability to absorb punishment meanwhile gradually wearing down his opposition , he faced ONE quality man of 200lbs[199lbs actually,]Ruhlin whom Fitzsimmons had half killed earlier.Ruhlin was retired on his stool by his manager.
Jeffries was the bigger, younger man in all his major contests.
Jeffries never met a super heavyweight of any ability, He is a completely unknown quality against big punching superheavyweights.

 

Your belief in Wilder is astounding, and I guess he cleans out other champions because he's 6'7" tall.

Jeffries fought Fitz and Corbett at their prime to near prime, and Sharkey ( age 25 ) and Ruhlin ( age 29 ) were most certainly in their prime.

He may have been younger in most contests but not more experienced for sure. Who else could do this well in so few fights?

Wilder himself is often outweighed in his fights. And he would be out weighed vs. Jeffries too if Jeffries was around today.

Out curiosity, do you think Wilder beats Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey??? What about Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano...as all four legendary champions are smaller than Jeffries, and in fact were beating by sub 200-pound men, outside of Marciano.

An answer to my question will be rather revealing.

 

I don't have any belief in Wilder, he is unproven, just as Jeffries is against young superheavyweights who have top end power.
I class Johnson,Dempsey, Louis and, Marciano above Jeffries.
Johnson had great defence.Dempsey was a whirlwind into action carrying top end power into his attack combining speed with power,Louis had the complete arsenal with excellent boxing ability to go with it.Marciano possessed an unbelievable determination and will to win allied with the ability, through dedication to carry his power all through a fight. Jeffries quit while prime ,came back and was wrecked, had he prolonged his career as the others, excepting Marciano did ,he would have had a few more losses on his sheet imo.
I keep repeating this but you fail to grasp it ,we are matching these men as they were/are,not matching a hypothetical version of your vanilla hero against Wilder. Giving Jeffries extra weight would be counter productive ,it would make him slower and probably affect his stamina.

Now just explain how Jeffries stops Wilder because he sure isn't outboxing him!

 

Your belief in Wilder is astounding, and I guess he cleans out other champions because he's 6'7" tall.

Jeffries fought Fitz and Corbett at their prime to near prime, and Sharkey ( age 25 ) and Ruhlin ( age 29 ) were most certainly in their prime.

He may have been younger in most contests but not more experienced for sure. Who else could do this well in so few fights?

Wilder himself is often outweighed in his fights. And he would be out weighed vs. Jeffries too if Jeffries was around today.

Out curiosity, do you think Wilder beats Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey??? What about Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano...as all four legendary champions are smaller than Jeffries, and in fact were beating by sub 200-pound men, outside of Marciano.

An answer to my question will be rather revealing.

To use your words, " Marciano possessed an unbelievable determination and will to win allied with the ability, through dedication to carry his power all through a fight. "

>>> I agree and so did Jeffries!

So if you really believe what you said about Marciano, it applies to Jeffries too, who is about 30 pounds heavier, has about 10" more in reach, and a more proven chin without going down. I see Jeffries beating Wilder in a similar fashion of how you view Marciano beating Wilder and pretty much all historians who live through Jeffries to Marciano ( 1890-1960 ), felt Jeffries was the better.

 

Why should my opinion on Marciano apply to Jeffries too? That's ludicrous! Marciano was giving weight away in many of his major contests Jeffries was always the bigger man !
Marciano kod a full-sized heavyweight to win the title.Jeffries stopped a super middleweight.

 

Where in that post did I say Marciano beats Wilder?

Ruhlin was no longer prime, Fitzsimmons had nearly killed him earlier.
"Ruhlin collapsed in his corner and was not fully revived for so long a time that it was feared he had died. The fight was held under incredible heat. It was over 100F. outside the arena, as the city was caught up in one of the worst heat waves on record. Some 35 deaths were reported from heat stroke."
Read this report educate your ignorant self!
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85066387/1900-08-11/ed-1/seq-3/

 

Hard to disagree with any of this.

 

One thing that should be noted about the second Sharkey fight is that Jeffries had an injured left arm.

This is verified by a surviving X ray.

The injury almost forced his retirement.

Perhaps he deserves some credit for beating a contender as dangerous as Sharkey with such an injury?

 

I'll ask again!

Out curiosity, do you think Wilder beats Jack Johnson and Jack Dempsey??? What about Joe Louis, and Rocky Marciano...as all four legendary champions are smaller than Jeffries, and in fact were beating by sub 200-pound men, outside of Marciano.

An answer to my question will be rather revealing. Can you do this???

PS: Munroe was bigger than any man Marciano fought in a title match and the other guys close to the same size in many cases. Did Rocky even fight a man as big as Ruhlin in his title defenses?

PPS: You do realize Jack Johnson, your idol was KTFO by a super middleweight, floored by another and by some sources outboxed in a six round affair. LOLOLOL, you never learn nor can you say what I wrote is not true in the PPS!

 

I've already told you I don't rate Jeffries as highly as those you named, he doesn't make my top 12 heavyweights.Johnson would have trouble with Wilder's reach but I think he could overcome it because he is defensively adept. Dempsey is faster and more explosive than Jeffries ,a thoroughbred compared to a cart horse. Louis was a great boxer -puncher he had more dimensions to his game than Jeffries . Marciano I've already discussed. Munroe was a joke,a fat novice, he had no business anywhere near a title challenge, the fight lost money and Jeffries himself said he would never be involved in another farce like that again.
Ruhlin was a depleted fighter he never really got over the hammering Fitzsimmons gave him, the body punches that Fitz sent into him mapped out the blueprint for Jeffries.At his best Ruhlin was inconsistent and he performed miserably against Jeffries showing a marked lack of ambition,he and his corner were heavily criticized for throwing in the towel.
Johnson is not my idol I'm a senior citizen I don't have idols.
Who Johnson lost to has absolutely nothing to do with a discussion about the winner of a fight between Jeffries and Wilder, but as usual you have turned yet another decent thread into a Johnson hate fest ! You are one sick **** do you know that?