Deontay Wilder v James Jeffries

Agreed. Its like having an argument about cars and comparing a 1957 chevy to a 1987 Camero and saying " well maybe if we took the original motor out of the 1957 chevy, put in a 400cc engine and hooked up a nitris kit,etc,etc....." Well now you're not talking about the same car anymore but a souped up *******ized recreation of it.

 

Exactly!

 

The version doesn't always exist though. Canelo has just signed to fight at 164 against Chávez, that version has never existed but I'll still discuss the fight.

 

It just says Jeffries vs Wilder.

My problem with keeping to the versions we saw is it leaves them at a disadvantage.

If I think extra muscle helps a case I'll always see it.

I'm fairly sure we'll probably disagree on this again next week at some point.

 

Taking an existing fighter who's successfully managed to add weight THEN waiting around to see how he fairs with it, is totally different than saying " if Jim Jeffries were alive he would beat Deontay Wilder if he added 20 lbs of muscle."

 

All the more reason not to pick them.

 

I'm not saying he would beat Wilder. I don't think I made a pick actually as I haven't seen a lot of Jeffries.

I just think if Jeffries is gonna have the best chance of success in this fight, he should add a bit of muscle.

 

But obviously people do successfully move up in weight despite this disadvantage. In almost every successful case the person has added muscle.

 

Yes because that is NOT Jim Jeffries.

 

It doesn't say a hypothetical modern enhanced version of Jeffries does it?

 

Hey !!! I have a great idea. What if Michael Carbajal was given growth hormones to make him 6'5", and steroids to weigh 240 lbs of muscle, trained with Manny Steward in detroit, and been born to a family of factory workers? Do you think he'd beat Lennox Lewis?

 

Nor does it say a version disadvantaged by inability to gain weight

 

Not imo no.

Then again I wouldn't have picked Spinks to gain 30 pounds and outbox Holmes neither.

 

How about you ask the OP what his intention was?
I've done so.

 

I'd like to know if the Jeffries you mention is the real and actual James J Jeffries that existed and fights Wilder as he was, or some mythological,hypothetical Jeffries that can magically be transformed by modern sports science.Will you please clarify this for us?