Deontay Wilder v James Jeffries

No argument from me!

 

Box Rec has it that way. Whoever edits there ( a few people ) can change a page. Detailed measurements om Jeffries were out there, and he's best found at 6'1" tall. Farmer Burns listed a compelte tale of the tape for the Johnson fight.

Height can vary. Measures in the afternoon, people actually shrink a bit.

Tua had short range and could not box a lick. Tyson was a front runner without many late round stoppages. I'll take Jeffries power over their past round seven as his stamina and ability to land it were greater

And keep in mind him his time, pacing for 20+ rounds was often needed, and early Ko's were frowned upon by the crowd when the live gate meant the most. Yet Jeffries hurt his men at times and finished them with fewer punches landed.

Jeffries had more ten counts, broken bones/injuries, and is the lone man I am aware of to knock down all opponents, save his lame comeback attempt old, fatter, and inactive for 5+ years with no warm ups.

It's likely such fast will not resonate with you, so be aware that many felt Jeffries hit harder than Jack Dempsey...a fighter you claim to like. Jeffries could hit! Might be even better if he used hand wraps with tape to increase the power.

 

You do not know what you are talking about. Delany often said he wanted Jeffries at 215, not 220 as you claim.

Corbett was a great mover and fought Jeffries in a 25 x 25 ring. Touch to catch for anyone, and unlike Ali, Corbett did not slow down inside 15 rounds.

What you might never understand is Jeffries was a very patient boxer and knew when he had to up his ante to win. He essentially took control in the 17th round to finish vs. Corbett, and when cut badly vs Fitz in the re-match ( Fitz possibly with doctored Gloves ) , finished him promptly. He could turn tiger if needed.

 

Links please, and that is only twice. You said it happened three times.

Fitz gloves have two stories to it. After the fight when Jeffries said to Fitz he didn't cut me in the first fight and wanted to see the gloves, Fitz threw them into the crowd. Hardly the act of an innocent man! Delaney who you quoted before didn't seem to care if Fitz had loaded gloves and none of Fitz handlers denied he used them.

 

Your contention that Jeffries has more power [how else can it be interpreted?]is not borne out by results.Which super heavyweights did he ever stop? In two fights with 37 and 39 years old supermiddleweight Fitz, it took him a total of 19 rds to stop him.A comebacking Corbett, past prime and comfortably inside 190lbs went a total of33rds, yet 157lbs Fitz took a prime Corbett out with one punch . An under 170 pounds Choynski went the 20rds distance with him.Five foot eight 185lbs Sharkey went the full 45rds with him in their two fights,yet Fitz stopped him twice in a total of 6 rds.Ruhlin went the full 20rds with Jeffries in their first fight and was pulled out between the 5th and 6thrds by his trainer,yet Fitz kos him in6rds and he had to be dragged back to his corner and spent the night inMSG so badly was he beaten.
No sorry, Jeffries was a good puncher but not in the Tua or Tyson class,as for Dempsey, Sam Langford said Dempsey was not only much faster than Jeffries ,he hit harder.Jeffries scored 8 kos and 5 of them were over second/third raters.

 

Correct Adam Pollack not me, and I presume he has more knowledge of the subject than you do. You keep repeating about doctored gloves yet Jeffries examined Fitz wraps carefully before the fight and the gloves were fitted with one of his seconds standing next to Fitz.You'll continue to repeat this ,just like all the other lies you habitually spew out, it makes no never mind.

 

I said I think Jeffries had more power past round seven in comparison to Tyson or Tua.

Early on, I do not know who had more power. Maybe Tyson by a shade. Maybe not

I think you are confusing aggression with power. They are different things.

How many did ten counts either Tyson or Tua have and did they break bones too?

Jeffries record has very little fat on it compare to either man. Rickard who was promoting both Dempsey said Jeffries was the better puncher and said this at the time when Jeffries was long retired, and promoting Dempsey! Dempsey himself said Jeffries would have badly beaten him Argue with that you can not. Sullivan said it would be no contest, Jeffries would have put it to me.

As for what Sam Langford said, might he wanted a match with Dempsey? When did he say this???

His false words about Johnson ( Never being down, cut, ect.. ) should make anyone pause when reading what he has to say, but if you want to use Langford as a source he was in awe of Jeffries and his manager once advertised he'll fight any man but!

 

After the Johnson v Jeffries fight,which he refereed Rickard stated Johnson was the greatest fighter he had seen.Want to cherry pick your quotes? Modern gloves heavier, and with more padding ,mean less damage. Tyson and Tua were koing and stopping real heavyweights not coming out of retirement super middleweights and light heavies!

 

Yes Joe Woodman said Langford would fight any man except Jeffries, that was in 1906 when Langford scaled 156lbs!lol.Lets face facts ,if Langford had said Jack Johnson is an over rated bum you would have eaten it up with spoon,but, because he admitted he was a great fighter you not only don't want to accept it you disparage Langford! Now I don't want to spend anymore time arguing with a closed minded hater like yourself, so carry on on your own.You've already turned a Wilder v Jeffries thread into another of your interminable Johnson hate fests,you're like one of Pavlov's dogs.
Don't you ever get tired of it?

 

I think you know the answer to that!lol

 

You missed my point. I'm simply saying I'll take Jeffries power, stamina and need to go for it after round 7 over Tyson and Tua's

Look at Tyson. If they didn't stop his man inside of seven, in most cases they went the distance. My point is Tyson wasn't a good 8-12 round fighter. He was an aggressive front-runner type.

Tua who looks closer to 5'9" had one big punch with T-rex arms, and was also better earlier than later. At times his effort wasn't very good.

 

To sum up this thread, we have a skinny piped leged, certified chinny amateur fighter, who has good length and some skills, but hs been exposed in victory by top 14-50 types as a professional.

There is a reason Wilder is belt milking and avoiding Klitschko and Joshua at all costs, and won;t even go near Ortiz.

Wilder is an updated version of Denver " Ed " Martin, who will be KO'd by the first puncher he meets. that is ranked in the top ten.

Jeffries might knock him out with a body shot.

 

I have pretty much made up my mind that Wilder has durability issues.

I just can't see any other way to explain his career path.

 

A couple cents for your thoughts on this?