Deontay Wilder versus Rocky Marciano

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  1. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    There's a lot wrong with this post.

    Peter/Toney I was a close fight, and many felt Toney deserved the decision.

    Peter actually won the second fight behind a steady jab..a skill he didn't use much of in the first fight.

    Toney/Peter II doesn't deflate any argument that I see laid down in this thread. The argument that Toney was successful at Heavyweight? I don't see how the outcome of his last noteworthy fight in the division cancels out his long run as a top 5 contender. If a guy hanging around the top 5 for years isn't successful, I don't know what type of standards you are looking for.
     
  2. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    When I witnessed Wilder trying to finish off one of the tomato can heavyweights put in front of him, the thing that made me chuckle was that the right wail he threw was thrown in such a way that his arm remainder's straight for the entire punch. Windmill Man if you will.

    This is the man who people have chosen to beat one of the greatest heavyweights of all time.? Rocky would bust this guy up like he did to Vingo but I'd say the human Windmill quits way before he takes any real punishment.
     
  3. Ipay4leavingNot

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    I am going to bow out of this debate. One would have to wonder why boxing is not full of nba players since they are the tallest people around and there are a segment of idiots here who believe being tall = G.O.A.T.

    There is a reason why tall guys didn't dominate the ranks in the past. Tallness is a disadvantage when fighting a skilled boxer because the tall man must give up his height advantage if fighting a skilled opponent who will just driver an upper cut into hisbody. There were tons of tall guys in the rocks time, tons of big guys, but those guys never made it because they had to fight guys like the rock who outskilled them. A 180 pound man can knock out a big man just as easily as a 220 pound man, maybe even easier.

    Smaller guys are faster, have faster hands, faster feet, better endurance, need less space to operate are harder to hit and have every conceivable advantage but reach. Small guys are like destroyers and big guys are like battleships. Sure if the destroyer drives right into the canon of the battle ship he will lose. But if the destroyer uses his superior speed and maneuverability to launch a torpedo and move out the way he sinks the battleship everytime.

    Marciano is going to time that jab or that right hand of the oaf and nail him like duran nailed barkley.
     
  4. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ipayforleavingnot is a smart poster. Excellent and completely true.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Any further thoughts?
     
  6. janitor

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    No, do you feel that we should have?
     
  7. janitor

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    There is a heavyweight called Glazkov, who actually just beat a top 5 contender!

    I would respectfully suggest that our attention might be more appropriately focused on him!
     
  8. jas

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    ummmm what about prime butterbean vs prime wilder in a 4 round bout
     
  9. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Marciano said several times he would rather fight a tall man than a shorter one.
    He got about twice as much leverage on his punches striking upward.
     
  10. Rage of Wodan

    Rage of Wodan Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly! This is a childish thread. Marciano by decapitation.:thumbsup
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    I am genuinely insulted to be quoted in the same post as this gentleman!
     
  13. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I'm shiting you… that was me cleverly manipulating the quote function...

    Wilder is interesting tho as there are more than a few precedents for this kind of prospect… most recently Alex Stewart or going back a bit further Mac Foster. There there is the rare Tyson who makes it straight through to the championship. I tend to think Wilder is the former. However, he certainly has the sport's attention.
     
  14. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Agreed.

    The other thing that is real big with the hitters is how they come back from a loss. Most don't handle it too well, and it just seems so much easier to rebuild a boxer type from a loss.

    Those hitters sure seem to become a massive rebuilding project. And lets face it, once at the top they are fighting a diet of top 10 guys. Not that diet of fighters with bad form and lots of koby results. A tightrope act and it's a long way down and a higher climb back up.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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