Deontay Wilder versus Rocky Marciano

The thread should be Deontay Wilder vs Gene Wilder.

 

It is hard to know, even though it seems so simple. Though whether he would pursue boxing due to ethnic tendencies is irrelevant to how he could fare today with the same genetics & character. Would Lewis & others be boxers in an early era? It matters not.

But his size is a question. He described his peak as around 186/187. But it is reported he hit harder ~ 203. But would he have the endurance, & in any case would his total size be too little even given his unique skill set to dominate the best or-with the most pessimistic interpretations-even get far

 

Not only did those guys fight tough guys...they destroyed them. Robinson fought Lamotta six times, Basilio, Fulmer, Graziano. I cannot think of a row of better murders.

Graziano fought Robinson and Zale. Really does anything else need to be said? He lost too both of them but he fought them. Dempsey fought one of the toughest men to ever live. Willard. How many guys you know can fight more than 20 rounds in Cuba, then keep getting up from Dempsey standing over them punching? Not many. Dempsey fought solid fighters until he stepped away and he destroyed them all.

The guys that Robinson, Graziano, and Dempsey fought are better than the guys that they ducked with the exception of Willis. That tell me that they were willing to fight anyone, anywhere.

Seriously, Graziano would have rather fought guy in the street with bare hands than put on gloves. He KO'ed a officer in the millitary. This guy is soft? Robinson jumped in the ring with a lt. Heavyweight and was outboxing him until the heat put him down. Robinson's heart is called into question? Dempsey cleared out the entire heavyweight division except for one man and all of a sudden everything else he did is nulled?

Not for me. Those guys are certified rugged and if there aren't then noone is.

 

You completely misunderstood me. You said that these guys would fight you no matter how big you were or how tough you were and then listed Graziano who, while an excellent and exciting fighter, made his rep knocking out welterweights. You say Dempsey cleared out the division? That's ridiculous as even apart from Wills you have Greb. I'm not questioning whether these guys are great or have heart or whatever I'm saying that that's a terrible list of guys who 'fought everyone'.

 

Graziano KO'ed Zale. Does that matter?

Greb was a middleweight. He was not in his division. From 1917 to 1922 ,5 harsh years, he lost one fight and just about KO'ed everyone else including the champion and top contenders. Dempsey was basically semi-retired after he fought Firpo. I give/gave you the Willis fight. Greb is a stretch for me. Maybe is was not neccessary to beat up a middleweight or risk a tough fight with one. I do not think however if Dempsey, in a fighting mode, meet any of these men in the street that he would be frightened or duck them.

No one fought everyone. With that said, I see that you did not refute Robinson. That means you must agree with me. The Murderers Row is nothing compared to the guys Robinson actually did fight. The same goes for Graziano and Dempsey. They fought enough top guys ,win or lose, to satisfy me that they are certified rough.

You may think different. Either way, I do not know if Deontay Wilder belongs in this conversation until he deals with a hall-of-fame caliber fighter...of which to this point he has not.

 

I think we'll just have to disagree on this one. Except on Wilder. He's still of mostly unknown quality.

 

Sorry that we were not able to find solid ground to agree but, your assessment of Mr. Wilder sound fair and really worth more than the rest of our discussion as it relates to the topic.

Thanks. Peace

 

It'd be like Holyfield - Valuev I reckon.

 

Somebody ranked in the top 30, would be a start!

 

Tell that to the champ who was lined up to fight 50 ranked Boystov.

Take away Povetkin (who should of won by DQ) and Wlads competition is as bad as Wilders.

 

I comment on facts, not on my opinions.

 

Boystov deserving or not was RING top 10. You've been corrected on this before.

 

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