Deontay Wilder versus Rocky Marciano

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Seamus, Aug 11, 2013.


  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    No. These classic sized heavyweights of 190 pounds were not cruiserweights they were heavyweight athletes. lts entirely down to the fact that all boxers followed the same uniform training programs and had to spar in the gyms with fighters who had speed, pace, coordination and precision unachievable for a giant. The skill, seasoning and competition was so high that boxers all had to be as athletic as possible. The cream rose to the top and it included less superheavyweights.

    There were bigger men around but they became chopping blocks for faster young heavyweights. There were exceptions to the rule who made the grade at contender level but until smaller heavyweights began to slow themselves down bulking up above their natural size with bodybuilding they could not compete at the elite level. encumbered with excessive artificial weight youth became less of a factor at heavyweight and slower oafs became more competative. They could never have lived with the heavyweight athletes. The giants had to wait until the division became older, slower and less experienced.
     
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  2. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The boxers back in Rocky's day weren't roided up freaks, but natural athletes with normal, athletic bodies. I think guys like Marciano, Charles, LaStarza, Walcott, Moore, etc. fought at the weight they did, because that was a natural weight they felt comfortable at - and not because there was a necessity to "boil down like track and field athletes"
     
  3. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Remember when Alex Stewart was 24-0 with 24 KOs?

    Wilder needs a serious step up in competition, at least someone that can give him some rounds at this stage. His people turning down Thompson and Chisora for an ailing Liahkovik who hasn't went the distance in years speaks for itself. The streak as a marketing tool is more important than developing him as a title challenger.
     
  4. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    ... or when Mac Foster was 24-0 with 24 KOs?
     
  5. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Wow, him and Stewart both crashed out at the same number didn't they?

    To Quarry and Holyfield respectfully.

    I'm curious if Wilder is going to ride this streak all the way to a fight with Wlad, but his calender is getting booked up in his final years and they are going to have to take a risk eventually.
     
  6. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    Marciano shortens Wilder's height and beats Wilder to a pulp. KO 1.
     
  7. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GREAT post. Very well said..
     
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  8. Sailor Liston

    Sailor Liston New Member Full Member

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    im click on Marciano by UD not by KO :patsch
    sorry
     
  9. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Those guys could have been bigger if they wanted to its just that the era demanded fast experienced fighters with a high workrate. It favoured the shorter heavyweights because they They were comfortable only because the best men were so fast. Putting weight on would have only encumbered them against sharp, fast youthful and experienced elite.
    Had the division been made up of older slower less experienced supersized heavyweights there would be less need to cut down quite so much weight.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Don C o c k ell began training camp for Marciano at 6 foot 7 and trained down to 5 foot 11.
     
  11. Samurai's Slice

    Samurai's Slice ESB Legend Full Member

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    Wilder isn't good enough to swallow a mouthful of Marciano's c*m. Wilder would have NO chance. NONE. Comparing him to a legend in Marciano is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
     
  12. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Wilder has a very good jab, height, reach and legit power.

    When did Marciano ever face this package? The few larger heavies he fought (none who were in the league, size-wise, of Wilder) were total chumps. And think upon this... Wilder, outside of his height, is a very old-timey proportioned heavyweight. But he has great reach and a really stellar jab tho it takes him time to reset on it.

    From a physical and athletic standpoint, Marciano did not face this amalgam or anything close. On the contrary, one could say that Wilder has not faced what Marciano brought to the ring. But what exactly the details of what the Lilliputian Son of Abruzzo brought to the ring, outside of hard hat, work ethic, lunch pail, I am a bit remiss to state...

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  13. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Won't put myself through reading this thread but I notice someone has voted for a Wilder win :lol:
     
  14. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Any opponent wilder faced in his first 29 pro fights. Do you agree?
     
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  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Wilder more skilled than the 6'2 215lb Joe Louis? What about Nino Valdes?