Deontay Wilder versus Rocky Marciano

SInce when was Joe Louis fat in 1951? :huh

 

-In my eyes and many others, Huck beat the #3(possibly #2) HW today in Povetkin. He wouldn't beat Wlad(nobody would) but he would do just fine if the CW divison was eliminated.

-You may not think much of Toney's achievements at HW, but the fact remains he had a successful run and stayed relevant in the rankings for several years.

-Haye and Adamek weren't meant as a direct analogy to Bivins anymore than your Chris Byrd and Roy Jones example was. The point being that prior to packing on bulk to clear 200 lbs, all these guys were similar size to the heavies of the 40s and 50s.

 

Rhetorical questoin, a 185 lb fighter wouldn't be allowed to compete at HW according to the rules right now. But we've seen Adamek pack on bulk and make a statement in the division, and we've seen Marco Huck put on a few pounds and in the eyes of many beat a decision out of the #3 Heavy in Povetkin.

 

Povetkin iz not #3.
It can b considerd Haye or Pulev, jast not Povetkin de chiken.

Ez 4d topik , Wilder wud hev teiken de eir aut of Rocco which mait disterb hiz bauncing of de flor .

Most hir akshuali pikt Rocco 2 stop Deontay.
Not det I M e fan of de protekted Deontay, bat Rocco woz protekted ez wel.
Floyd Patterson woz big inaf e sret 4 him 2 retire wail stil on top :yep

 

way to ignore the modifier there.

 

Because the genius trainer would not be able to simulate the talent pool of 185 pound heavyweight athletes who combined youth and experience for him to develop against.

A trainer cant "magic up" the experience and seasoning required of those days.

 

Yes they had skill against fighters who were as slow, as heavy, who had trained the same way as them to fight in explosive bursts and sheild one punch at a time behind baloon gloves.

Horses for courses.

Classic sized heavyweight athletes were more versatile. They operated at a different pace, there was less room for error with smaller gloves and longer distances and more competative journey men.

 

Ducktales, wooooooooo! Training doesn't just magically change for no reason from more effective to less effective methods. Doesn't work like that. If size really wasn't an issue and smaller heavyweights were better, then you would be seeing the LHWs and SMWs of today fighting at heavy and snatching up the titles.

 

Size matters a lot more for certain styles than for others. It matters less for defensive fighters like Moore and Toney than for offensive fighters like Marciano. Marciano would be facing much heavier firepower than he ever had to deal with, as well as better punch resistance.

 

That is precisely what we are seing.

There have been light heavyweights infiltrating the uper echelons of the heavyweight division in every era.

 

That's a distortion of the facts. We are not seeing that at all. I'm talking about natural LHWs, not guys who squeezed into the weight in their teens or early 20s and then moved up.

 

But was LHW ever a real division? Wasnt it a place for tall middleweights to go? Lightheavyweight used to be a type of Heavyweight. The LHW title was for many, many years a springboard for a crack at the HW title. In fact until 1980 LHW's and HW's fought each other. It was in many ways the same division as HW only there was an extra world title for the lighter ones.