Deontay Wilder versus Rocky Marciano

Modern heavyweights use alot of weights, they have great physiques but can't take a punch, and this was always the case. It was the reason big muscle heads were never used as real boxers. Boxing is an endurance sport.

wilder has not fought anyone worthy of giving him a rating he isn't even in the top 10 nor has he touched a top 30 opponent.

 

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The question I have is how will the young and inexperienced Wilder hit Marciano enough to win not the other way around. Perfecting a crouching style as Rocky did makes it tough for the taller fighters because they have to stand lower themselves to land. one shot from Rocky would send the youngster into dream land.....he has not shown an ability to take an all time punchers punch.

 

I don't think anyone weighing 190lbs. with a 68" reach is getting close to beating Wilder. Deontay would bust up Marciano's tissue-thin skin and force a merciful stoppage by about round 3. Only Rocky's super-human will would keep him upright at the end of this mismatch. He probably would visit the canvas a couple of times though before the conclusion of the fight.

Marciano vs Kobelev. Now THAT would be interesting and more evenly matched!

 

So in your mind an unproven nobody beats one of boxings all time best hwts? You don't even know if this guy can take any level of punch. He is completely unproven. Rocky cuts thru him like a hot knife thru butter.

 

If a Wilder attacked Rocky, he'd have a tiger by the tail.

 

Wilder by early ko. It dosen't matter if Marciano is more skilled, tougher, packs a bigger punch or even if Wilder has a weak jaw. Marciano will never get to him. Have tou noticed that Marciano isn't even 6' and Wilder is 6'7"? Wilder might not be the most gracfull boxer, he's certanly not the second comming of Ali, but he has good foot work, knows how to position himself, and is f-ing strong. His knockouts have everything to do with his biuld and not the weakness of his oppoents chins. If Wilder lands flush on anyone, the fight is over. He'd land flush on Marciano before marciano lands flush on him.
There's a reason we have weight classes in boxing. Marciano in today's terms is a crusierweight. We can only speculate as to rather or not he'd have packed the pounds to fight heavyweights or been a crusierweight if the division was around in his time. This is not about who has the better skills, or who acomplished or even will acomplish more. It's about who wins if we put both men in the ring with the known varbarles.

 

It is a testament to how under rated Rocky Marciano is, and how obsessed people are with size on this forum, that people are seriously arguing about whether a fighter who has never beaten a top 30 contender would beat him!

 

50s fighter Hein Ten Hoff isn't that far removed from what we know about Wilder. Hoff was 6'5", also had an 84" wing span, a dynamite right hand, good movement, decent skills, and an undefeated streak against less than stellar oppposition. Whlie he proved to be solid he hardly dominated the so called cruisers of his time.


http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=229077
-Old informative thread on him

http://static.boxrec.com/wiki/thumb/1/16/Hoff-Jersey.jpg/400px-Hoff-Jersey.jpg
-Losing his 0 to Joe Walcott.

 

Just a note for the amateurs on this board......just because a fighter is tall, bigger or has a longer reach does not mean a small fighter can't get to them. Boxing is a skill sport.

 

:bart :nono

 

Another point is every fighter who fought Marciano felt they could outbox him. In the ring though even boxers as crafty as Walcott, and no one today can touch Walcott in terms of boxing skill, realized he could not hit Rocky at will. Marciano with his low crouch weaving style was not easy to hit cleanly/continually.

 

Is life really that simple?

If the cruiserweight division did not exist fighters would not need to be 40lbs heavier to bypass it.

In the days before cruiserweight existed a big man just meant big target. Chopping blocks to beat on.

To be successful tall fighters like deontay wilder had to match the tempo of the classic sized heavyweight athletes and would appear slower, much more uncoordinated and impotent than they are able to look today. They would not have the same time or space to funtion. Outscored, smothering their own efforts as they snatch whatever chance they got. Their long limbs giving away their intention long before they react. Desperate, clumsy Punches would be rushed and there would be a whole lot more grabbing and smothering taking place.

There are reasons why tall fighters looked the way they did. Terrell, Wepner, BUddy Baer. It was not they were not smooth or skilful or that they were oafs ....they were just made to look that way! Big guys were forced to fight as effectively as faster moving and faster punching and faster paced fighters would allow them to. making mistakes trying to keep up. exposing themselves as they tried to fend off fast assaults. Resorting to reach and grab and scamper around awkwardly.

Is wilder finding the room, the same time and space to operate against an ATG? Is Marciano a regular 190 pounder or is he a great fighter? Can wilder get the same steam into a punch when he's aiming so low? Is their any evidence Wilder can protect himself at that level? Any evidence he has the stamina to operate at that tempo?

Deontay is a virgin at world level. He has yet to pay his dues. Let's give him a break.

 

I have to disagree with your take on Joe Louis once more....

What your fact doesn't show is that even when Louis had the weight advantage over other contenders it was rarely huge one. For instance Godoy (1 lb), Braddock (less than a 1lb), Sharkey(a little over 1 lb), Levinsky (less than a 1lb), Schemling (6 lbs), Mann (7 lbs). So why 71% may be a fact, its not the whole story. These were all similar sized guys.

And as McVey pointed out he was outweighed or matched by many like Carnera, Baer Bros, Uzcudun, Farr, Galento, Simon, Ketchel, and Nova.

Noteworthy fighters he had more than 10 lbs and a decent sized advantage over: Walcott, Conn, Mauriello, Pastor.

Now I believe he outweighed all of his post-comeback opponets in the 50s but he was hardly an effective knockout artist than, which further screws up your 71% figure. Louis could only be considered a giant during his second run. In the 30s and 40s, his size isn't that remarkable.

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