Deontay Wilder vs 2017 Wladimir Klitschko

Based on Wilder has never been in ring with anyone his considered a power puncher ( Fury a cherry pick gone wrong). Whilst Wilder hasn't beaten anyone that be amongst AJ's top 6 opponents he has beaten.

Wilders no spring chicken too. Although all thoughs years turning unification after unification down to face some low level opponents.

 

Stiverne and Ortiz were considered to be two of the biggest punchers in the division. Stiverne blasted Arreola out in 6, messed him up far worse than Vitali or Wilder (let alone Ruiz) did. Ortiz blasted Jennings out in 7, who neither Wlad or Joyce could get rid of over 12. Whyte, Parker, Pulev and Takam went the 10 or 12 distance with Dave Allen, Cojanu and Thompson, Ortiz got rid of them in 7, 2 and 6 respectively.

Wilder's two wins over Ortiz would be two of AJ's four best opponents beaten, Stiverne 1 rounds out the combined top 5. Even the lesser punchers on Wilder's list like Duhaupas and Washington KO'd Helenius in 6 and 8, who Chisora and Whyte went 12 rounds with. Washington sparked Forrest in 2, who Hunter went the distance with immediately after, with Takam and Pulev following that example later.

AJ had more money behind him so paper champions Martin and Parker wanted an AJ unification rather than the more dangerous Wilder for less money. Wilder also wanted 50-50 from AJ, which wasn't on offer until he beat Fury. Then AJ lost in one of the biggest upsets in history to an unknown fringe contender whose best win was a 7-3 decision over a washed up Kevin Johnson, or maybe the competitive 10 rounder against a washed up Liakhovich.

 

Vlad would wreck Wilder.

 

Stivetne and Ortiz biggest punchers in the divison lol FFS.

Are you one of the past two extreme (delusional) Wilder fans just under a different name? Chico or Needham or what ever thames where?

Wilder's best win(Ortiz) would get amongst AJs top 6 opponents in Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev (all of whom have superior records).

 

Wilder is always a live dog in any fight because of his power, but hes a bit of a glass cannon too, and is pretty limited technically. I'd favour even that aging Wlad to knock him out.

 

Learn to read properly: two of the biggest, not the two biggest. On AJ's record only Wlad was a bigger puncher. Povetkin was a more prolific puncher than Stiverne but not a bigger puncher. Whyte, Parker, Ruiz and Pulev all have shockingly bad KO records.

Green Whyte had a cr*p record when AJ beat him in a war (best win Brian Minto?) MD Parker was zero threat because he's a featherfist with no killer instinct and had a bodyguard referee against him, featherfisted Ruiz was untrained, 284 lbs, in a 22 foot ring and had an absolutely cr*p record when he smashed AJ to bits and 39 year old, 13 months inactive featherfist Pulev's best career win is schooling Chisora back in 2016, who hasn't beaten anyone above the level of a shopworn featherfisted Takam and was getting battered in that fight before the 8th round KO.

Skilled southpaw power puncher Ortiz was unambiguously better than all of these fringe contenders, champion Stiverne the first time too as he was very tough, hard-hitting and had a backfoot game, in much better shape and longer than fellow PBC heavyweight and 25-1 underdog Andy Ruiz.

 

Oh for sure, Wilder would be at least a live underdog against any fighter in history because of his unique blend of power, speed and athleticism. I just think 2015 Wlad still would have found a way to beat 2015 Wilder who at that time had only just become a champion and was still learning on the job.

But yeah, if we’re talking 2017, Wilder sends Grandpa Wlad to sleep.

 

That what I mean two of biggest is laugable when the best opponents they have stopped are Jennings, Martin and Arreola.

Wlad, Povetkin, Whyte are certainly harder punchers dropping and KOing much better quality of opposition.

Ruiz, Pulev and Parker although not amongst the biggest punchers at HW have far superior records to all of Wilders opposition.

 

You have to add in "dropping" because you know that Whyte has a laughably poor KO record considering his reputation of being a puncher. It's ironic that you mention Jennings and Arreola, when neither Wlad or Joyce (who KO'd Dubois and Takam) stopped Jennings but Ortiz did in 7 and Ruiz couldn't put a dent a washed up, 21 months inactive, coming off a loss Arreola, who Stiverne destroyed in 6 in Arreola's prime. It's also not purely about KO'ing the best opponents, it's also about not going the distance with bad ones: Whyte against Dave Allen and Helenius, Parker against Cojanu, Pulev and Takam against Thompson and Forrest, Ruiz against Morales and Liakhovich, Povetkin against Firtha.

You claimed that Breazeale had a vastly superior record to Wallin when those of us who had a better idea how to assess records knew that in all likelihood, Wallin would easily beat Breazeale. Wallin's 3-9 loss to a below par Fury >>> anything Breazeale had done in his career. Hence Wallin was a solid favourite in that fight and most people on here picked him to win, which he did easily.

 

Whyte also one of two people to KO a very durable Chisora.

On the above logic you just stated you failed to counter this with:

Molina hurting Wilder and going round with him whilst AJ didn't even have to get out second gear to stop in the 3rd the following year.

Duhaupas busted Wilder face up at took Wilder 11 rounds to stop whilst Povetkin battered him every round and brutually KOed him in 6 rounds the following year.

Washington was out boxing Wilder until Wilder Koed him in 5th. Whilst Kownacki stopped him sooner in the 2nd round and Martin although stopped a round later than Wilder did, Martin won every round.

Spzilka was out boxing Wilder until Wilder stopped him 9th round when Chisora did have break a sweat to KO him in the 2nd round.

Using your logic that that going the distance with poor fighters, then what about Ortiz Vs Kauffman, Scott and Hammer? Stiverne with Rossy?

 

That the fight happened in 2017, but after the defeat of Wladimir Klitschko by Tyson Furj, and AJ.
Would Wladimir Klitschko lose to Deontay Wilder as well, and thus suffer 3 defeats from the once undefeated "big three"?
I'm just curious what the forum members think about that.

 

As well as Haye in 5 Chisora was stopped in 10 by Fury on his backfoot. He quit in his corner, the only time Chisora's done so in 44 fights. Chisora is tough but he'd taken a lot of beatings by the time Whyte KO'd him in 11 and he hasn't faced an aggressive prolific KO puncher since 2012. Whyte didn't stop any more of his 10 best opponents: Fury, AJ, Chisora 1, Parker, Rivas, Povetkin 1, Wach, Helenius, Allen.

All of your examples of Wilder opponents were post-Wilder and I was not talking about who stopped who faster, I was talking about stoppages period. Wilder is a sniper rather than a pressure fighter so he often takes opponents out late but incurs less punishment than the Kownacki's, Chisora's and Babic's of the world in the process. Take Szpilka: after Wilder KO'd him cold, faster than he'd been stopped previously and sent him to the hospital on a stretcher, he was inactive for 18 months. Physically and psychologically, a brutal KO loss like that can take a lot out of a fighter. By the time Szpilka fought Chisora, he had another 4 fights worth of damage under his belt: a KO loss to Wilder, a KO loss to Kownacki, 10 rounds with Guinn and Wach (who Szpilka beat in a tough fight, a fresher version than the one who gave Whyte a hard fight a couple of years later). After the KO loss to Chisora he proceeded to get KO'd in 1 by a bridgerweight called Rozanski, who by your logic is a better fighter than anyone else Szpilka has faced.

Winning rounds is also not the be all and end all if a fighter's gameplan is KO-centric: Joyce didn't care if he lost a few rounds to Takam because he knew Takam couldn't survive the pressure for long and would have to expend an enormous amount of energy to keep Joyce off him for a few rounds. Wilder wasn't even down on the cards at the time of the stoppage against any of his non-Fury opponents aside from Ortiz 2, so that also needs to be considered.

Kauffman didn't go the distance with Ortiz, you need to get your facts right. Scott was in survival mode the whole fight and did more damage to Chisora in 6 than he did to Ortiz over 12. Hammer has also gone the distance with Povetkin, Yoka and Sanchez in recent years so he's a durable journeyman.

Stiverne mentally checkedout out after Wilder 1 and Wilder nuked him in the rematch without taking a single punch, though an even more washed up Stiverne went 6 with an aggressive Joyce after a lot more weight gain and inactivity, landing plenty of flush counters.

 

It would be 3 round shootout whoever lands the straight right first wins