Deontay Wilder vs David Tua

Fury's form is up and down though when he fought Wilder the 1st time, he was not long coming off being 100 pounds overweight and a 3 year lay off whilst only having 2 warm up fights against nobodies.

The 3rd fight Fury was also out of shape.

Again the jury's still out on Fury aswell as his resume is paper thin, and he just had one of the most embarrassing moments in boxing history vs Ngannou.

I've come to respect Wilder a bit more in recent years but he's still needs to prove himself.

I do agree Tua is a tad overrated but he still has an iron chin, KO power from round 1 to 12, and when he's motivated and in shape has good workrate.

Also not to make excuses for Tua but he was grossly overweight vs Lewis at 247 pounds, not that i think any version of Tua beats Lewis.

Overall i can see an argument for both fighters, but i think Wilder would have more issues landing his right hand against the smaller Tua. 6'7 vs 5'10 is quite a difference and Wilder would have to punch down and the angle doesn't suit his long right hand. Against smaller opponent logically you throw uppercuts or use the jab, and whilst Wilder can jab hes not some master boxer/mover.

Wilder has also never fought someone with genuine one punch KO power like Tua either, Fury is not a big puncher and he stopped Wilder twice although Fury had alot of weight on him to be fair.

 

wilder got stopped twice by Tyson fury, the only good opponent he fought in his entire career. His chin isn’t even in the same planet as tua’s.

 

Wilder and body shot don’t fit in the same sentence. He’s a head hunter through and through.

 

Who did he consistently use it against aside from Bermane?

 

That's exactly what I was thinking, will Tua go into a shell after he tastes Wilders power? I think Tua's path to victory is a quick ko. Getting inside on Wilder early and shocking him , Ruiz 2.0 . If as I think it would go Tua would be leery of Wilders power and wouldn't just rush in and Deontay would jab and keep Tua at bay as he would respect Tua's power also. I want to lean towards Wilder but as in any fantasy fight where I pick him there's a doubt as to whether he would survive a guy with a solid chin and big punch.

 

Personally I think Tua destroy's Wilder.
There's nothing I've seen from Wilder
that would suggest to me he'd survive
very long against Tua with each man
at their best.
Wilders jab is more a push than a
pop , he hitches and telegraphed
his right hand, often hitting with
his palm because he roudhouses
his punches when he has a guy( Most
of his opponents,are just "guys") hurt, a
indication of his lack of serious skills,
because at his level,it should be instinctive
not to throw punches that way. I can't name
any world class heavyweights that repeadedly
hit with the inside of his boxing gloves as much
as he does in my almost 50 yrs of studying and
being in the sport

His defensive skills is leaning away and
more throwing up his long arms, and hope
it blocks the opponents attack, than parrying
and slipping and countering.
The only thing special about Wilder is
how poor his compititon has been, and his excuse
making.
Even his ko rate is suspect when considering the
vast majority of his opponents can't spell "ride
the punch". Much less do it in a fight situation.
They simply don't have that skill level, something
that was basic for even 2nd/3rd rate fighters yrs ago.
In my opnion Wilder NEVER looked as good as Tua
did best efforts vs best efforts.
Tua is all wrong for any fighter who's legs give way
like a newborn giraffe after a few rds.
Tua would ruin Wilder, easier than most
would think.

 

Wilder wasn’t stopped by Fury in the first fight. In the rematches he was pretty close to the same age that Tua was when he was decked by the awesome Monte Barret. And I’m surprised you’re using those fights AGAINST Wilder given that at least two out of the three of those fights were wars and against the best heavy in the world. Tua basically got schooled by Rahman twice.

 

horrible matchup for wilder.

i just said he had one aspect over joe louis, i'm no fanboy, how tf does he beat tua?

 

I was obviously talking about the next two.

He was three years younger than tua, had less matches, and avoided anybody dangerous his entire career.

The best heavyweight in the world was coming off nearly three years of inactivity in which he was addicted to drugs and booze, and losing over a hundred pounds before the first fight. In the third fight fury spent most of the camp in the hospital with his newborn daughter and his wife. He basically didn’t train, came in at his career heaviest, and still knocked out wilder. This is all ignoring the basic fact that Tyson fury is featherfisted.

Yeah, he knew engaging tua was suicide, so he jab and moved while still taking damage. Too bad wilder is even worse than him at boxing.

 

1. No shlt. But I was pointing out that he was older in the next fights
2. I think wilder was around 35 and Tua was 37. Considering the vast difference in the quality of the opponent two years shouldn’t have made that much of a difference.
3. Yet he has every advantage including height, weight, youth and STILL he’s undefeated to this day. Yeah sure he’s featherfisted.

I never said wilder had a BETTER chin than Tua. Only that they BOTH had solid chins. Are you saying wilder is glass chinned ?

 

Tua can survive Wilder's right.

At least a few times.

Don't think Wilder can survive a full blast Tua hook, IF he can deliver one.

 

Tua is massively overrated and Wilder is massively underrated here. We know for sure Wilder only lost to the best in the world, the same cannot be said of Tua.

After Wilder knocks him out, this sub would bash Wilder for even taking a fight against a 5’10” fighter with T-Rex arms.

Tua would then be dismissed as a bum so we can continue with this narrative that Wilder was a mere can-crusher.

 

Agree. While I happen to think David Tua was a very good contender, I also remember a lot of people not thinking very highly of him. I’m also not sure that I understand this logic of wilder having a “ weak “ chin when Ortiz and Stiverne were hitting him with shots that could put a person through a brick wall

 

I agree, and he took a hellacious beating against Fury in the third fight before succumbing (and even then he just looked exhausted tbh). I (rather embarassingly) found myself screaming to the TV "How is he still standing??!!"

Wilder earned my respect far more in defeat (excluding the 2nd fight where he made excuse after excuse) than he did in victory.

 

There are people on this forum who would literally pick James “ Quick “ Tillis to dominate this era solely on the basis that he fought during the 80s.