Frazier cut off the ring against and closed down opponents with much quicker feet than Wilder and it's unlikely Wilder could withstand many of Frazier's two-fisted body attacks. Frazier, like Tyson, doesn't need a physical stature equivalent to that of Fury to get Wilder.
LOLO, we got it, Wilder is a bum of all bums, only beat bums and Fury beat a bum, no big deal........clearly 205/5'10 is the same as 6'9 and 275, size dont matter at all.....Marciano would KO wilder in 1, Frazier will smoke him in 2.......exposed as a total bum with 10 title defenses......still did not spit his mouth piece out and quit. Newsflash: heavyweights gets ko'ed.....on top of my head only Riddick Bowe/Marciano never got stopped, everybody else was counted out or had a ref mercy rescue.......super duper tough guys rolled around on the floor trying to get a Oscar....picked up their mouthpiece incoherent.....got one shotted.......collapsed against Journeyman and Golfers.....the list goes on and on. Heavyweights get ko'ed, fact, and last nights winner came within a hair of getting iced in the first match and was the better man last night and when Fury eventually gets starched naturally he is going to be a bum too , after all he stopped a total bum.
Wilder was absolutely ragdolled, outclassed, dominated. Fury made him his b!tch. Which is complete reverse of all the **** you've been talking for months now. Like was being explained to you before, Fury was only 50% and a cherry-pick for Wilder the first time, and STILL in most people's eyes deserved to win the decision. Now do you understand ? Do you see now ? All your **** talking about Fury having nightmares about the 12th round of fight 1. Can you imagine what kind of nightmares Wilder will be having for the rest of his life now ? LOL Fury absolutely terrorised him. And, yes, I agree, Wilder is not a bum.
Two years, during which Wilder has needed a stoppage win to dig him out of a hole against Old Man Ortiz (twice); particularly, in their second encounter, when Wilder was getting nothing short of mugged. Wilder has also received a gift Draw, after being comprehensively shown up, in a bout where his much vaunted power couldn't save the day. And, now he's been comprehensively beaten and stopped by the same person he got a gift Draw against. If that, according to you, is Wilder's peak, then why the heck are we even talking about what happens if he steps into the ring with a legend, in Joe Frazier; a man, who quite probably pulled of the greatest heavyweight victory of all time, against the greatest heavyweight of all time?
Given his last 2 fights, where he did perform very poorly against Ortiz, Wilder's probably past prime at 34. He's lost twice to the best of this era, no shame in that. Kenny Norton also beat 'the greatest', more times than Frazier if we give him the 3rd fight. He still got starched against Foreman, Shavers and Cooney. Much like Frazier got starched twice against the very crude George Foreman.
So Frazier made some of the fastest heavy's in history miss a ton of punches, when heavy's fought at a much faster pace than the do today, but he, Wilder, who telegraphed almost every right hand he throws, barely uses a jab, and gets no leverage on his left hook would somehow land consistently on him? Ok. It's your opinion, your entitled to that. But my opinion is your wrong. Besides, as seen last night and what I've said from day one on Wilder , we will see how good he is when he has to do something different . Last night, Fury was the aggressor and controlled the center of the ring. Made Wilder attempt to move side to side, fight off his back foot. The results of the fight closed my case. Imagine what would happen to him if he fought a real pressure fighter.
Agree. Wilder showed heart and was prepared for a ten count, which IMO was about to happen had his corner not thrown in the towel. He was an alphabet champion with a big punch, limited skills and shaky durability who was matched vs. the older or not as good boxers, and often was bailed out late by his power. I call that being exposed in victory. Such a fighter should not be matched vs. all-time greats, but could make for exciting threads when matched vs. 1980-1990's champions such as Page, Cotzee, Withersoon, Douglas, McCall, Rahman, Morrison, etc...
You actually read that drivel? I can never read his posts. I can't make it past the third sentence without my eyes bleeding.
Or he beat arguably the best h2h heavyweight southpaw of all time twice and the best h2h superheavy champ of all time was lucky to escape with a draw. What would a midget cruiserweight be able to do with him? See how hyperbole works?
Actually Frazier got tagged constantly against pretty much every contender he faced. Bonavena dropped him twice, Quarry was landing everything on him early, Ali obviously was too, Foreman used him as his personal yoyo. Now Wilder has 4 inches of height and 5 inches of reach on Big George and is a more explosive puncher and quicker. Frazier using his face as a bulldozer isn't going to end well here. Even when Frazier tried to be evasive in the Foreman rematch he still got pumelled. And this is the only time Frazier faced a big man who could bang: This content is protected This content is protected Why would anything be different against Wilder? As for pressure, Areola, Stiverne, Breazeale were presure fighters who got decapitated
I was responding to the claim made by another poster that the last two years have represented Wilder's peak; relating this so-called peak to his performances over the same period. Whether he is past prime or no, Ortiz and Fury represent the best Wilder has faced. The "very crude George Foreman" was light years beyond where Wilder is now, ever has been or ever will be. There's no comparison to be made here and, likewise, the gap in class level, between Wilder and Frazier, will always remain vast.
Not really. Because your pumped up 'arguable' points have no legs in them at all and are, therefore, actual examples of hyperbole. My comments about Ali and his defeat at the hands of Frazier are not. Even if your points had any real substance and you wanted to dispute consensus opinions on Ali as the Greatest Heavyweight of All-Time and Frazier's victory over him as one of the Greatest Wins of All-Time, the status of Ali and the feat of Frazier still makes your little example here look quite feeble.
Whats your point ? Your man won, still sore ? Is Fury sending you a part of his purse ? Again, the better man won. The rest is cake......Frazier was bounced like a ping pong twice.......Liston rolled around for two quit jobs.....Patterson got rag dolled......according to you Tyson git rag dolled by Buster....even so called iron chinned Holyfield got chinned.......are you always getting hysterical when some ones opinion is wrong ? So pop out the champagne, have a nice day , wax of to Fury some more....one thing for sure, Fury eventually will get chinned too like most Heavies too and I aint bumping your nut hugging threads to make me feel better, I do not care, its Boxing and I never got one cent from a fighter I favored or disliked. One more time, Fury came within a hair of getting stopped in the first match and now he returned the favor but no matter how you scream at the sky Fury/Wilder are1-0-1 and if by devine invention that "Bum" Wilder lands a lucky punch if there is a trilogy they are 1-1-1. Fact.
