Quarry's power is nowhere near Wilder's power. There's a strasphere of difference. If Wilder hits Frazier with a tenth of what Quarry did, Frazier is out cold. Quarry was a cruserweight, getting battered by most decent boxers in his day.
Neither do I. I don't have to. What you appear to be missing is that which Wilder seems unable to do and hasn't done, making him fairly easy to bet against, if matched against any truly world class fighter. To put this into perspective, Steve Cunningham put on a better performance against Fury than Wilder did, last night.
What you appear to be missing is that which Frazier seems unable to do and hasn't done, making him fairly easy to bet against, if matched against any truly world class fighter. To put this into perspective, Greg Peralta put on a better performance against Foreman than Frazier did.
And more perspective, Frazier performed worse against Foreman than Ali, Young and Lyle. So did Peralta, Schulz and Morrison for that matter
Please don't talk to me about oversimplifying, when you have previously come up with chestnuts like this... Foreman's armory was much broader and more advanced than Wilder's. It was very much a two-handed offense, for a start. The fact Foreman had a superior left jab and could throw unadulterated power with his right hand, at both short and long range, already puts him way ahead of 'One-Punch' Wilder. Foreman's uppercuts and hooks were equally as savage. He threw at a greater volume than Wilder, whilst maneuvering and closing his opponent down. In terms of overall strength, power and durability, I'd wager that the best version of Foreman is an absolute juggernaut compared to Wilder. I borrowed those words from Teddy Atlas and, if you've been actually reading any of my posts previous to this one, then you'll know that it's not only this most recent embarrassment for Wilder, upon which that conclusion has been drawn. There are other fights I've already mentioned, where he was made to look clueless. So - You are referring to Fury as "a great", now? How convenient for a Wilder fan to do so. I wonder if you were referring to Fury as such, prior to his absolute drubbing of your man. Oh, please! The use of that cliche is so much more appropriate when the present day boxer you're advocating for has more than just a crop of wins against cans, as well as an aged also-ran on his resume - and, hasn't just had his backside emphatically handed to him in devastating fashion by the only near-prime, genuine, world class fighter he's ever encountered. Funny - Wilder has exactly who and what on his resume? You want to accuse people, who recognize the achievements of the 70s heavyweights, of taking a 'rose tinted' view (which is quite puerile of you, to be frank), but you yourself then demonstrate how little you actually know about the era in question. Priceless!
Yeah - you're actually taking the example I gave out of context and thereby missing the point. But, never mind.
Seriously - is that the best you can come up with? Not for the first time, you have demonstrated that you either have problems keeping up with or have no interest in following the thread of a discussion. I'm going to hazard a guess that you won't understand why the reverse comparison you've just made is actually a contrast, in terms of the point that was being discussed.
This is an interesting assertion, one that has some validity. I mean, he did murder Frazier twice and Norton. Actually, I think the Foreman of the 70s might rank below Frazier, Marciano, and Tyson. He didn't keep the title long... From an overall perspective I think Foreman at least edges top 5.
Wilder’s real height is closer to 6’5”. Boxing like Basketball and other sports have a bad habit of enhancing stats for promotional purposes. Fury is legitimately 6’7” though, but as he progressed through his career he suddenly started getting listed at 6’9”. “Tyson Fury sounds more like a name a Rocky villain would have rather than a genuine boxer, but this new kid on the block is certainly one to keep an eye out for. At a towering 6ft 7ins, the Manchester based heavyweight is certainly attracting a lot of attention on this side of the pond.” http://theboxingbulletin.blogspot.com/2009/05/introducing-tyson-fury-story-photo.html?m=1 “And one fighter high on his radar is world WBA champion David Haye. The 22-year-old 6ft 7in Manchester fighter, who wants Haye to postpone his plans to retire next October, said: “I need a few more fights but I am on Haye’s tail.” “He is the one I am thinking of because he is the weakest of the heavyweight champions. “I’m big, I’ve got the heart of a champion, I’m fast and I’ve got good power – so much power that Haye wouldn’t stand a chance against me. His recent fight with Audley Harrison (when Haye won in the third) was a terrible affair. But Haye was as scared as Harrison. “He is terrified of a big man. Any big man who isn’t scared of Haye will give him problems.” “Fury fights on the undercard of the Jean Pascal-Bernard Hopkins bill with the fight night being screened by Primetime.” “American Page is a late replacement for original opponent Galen Brown and has won 21 and lost 32 of his 55 bouts, with two drawn. Fury, a former ABA champion, has won all of his 12 professional bouts.” https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/boxing/tyson-fury-power-fury-18259911 Also, to be fair Vitali did get caught quite a bit and was a sloppy fighter in my opinion (not as sloppy as Wilder), who over relied on his power before he started working with Steward. After working with Steward Vitali became a very effective fighter and he had very good footwork for a big man. Admittedly when Wilder visited the Fight Factory it was back in 2012, so Wilder wasn’t even a champion yet, but even back then a lot of the sloppy training he had habits and him being uncoachable hasn’t changed despite almost 10 years passing. Wilder could definitely learn from Vitali’s example, since if Wilder would actually start listening to Breland, who is a very good coach even at 34 years old Wilder could fix a lot of holes in his game. I agree that Ortiz is an excellent southpaw, but he unfortunately got his title shot a few years too late. Ortiz’s legs and timing in 2018 weren’t what they were in 2014-2015. I knew Ortiz being as experienced and ring savy as he is was going to give Wilder a tough fight while his legs lasted, but also knew he was going to be easy picking in the later rounds, which he was. The Povetkin fight not happening was a major letdown, since Povetkin would’ve definitely pushed Wilder to the limit and maybe would’ve even managed the win.
I didnt need to see Wilder get taken apart the other nite to understand why he would have a rough night vs a primed Frazier. Deontay Wilder lacks skill. He's tall and strong, great power when you give him time and room. His foundation isnt there when he is forced back. Those bird legs dont help. A few years ago I was looking forward to seeing him develop his boxing ability enough to balance out his game. Sharp jab, straight down the pipe, finish with the lefthook. Mix in the body and counter. After the last fight I suspect that the reason is that he lacks some coordination. 6-7 is just past that range guys are fluid with it. Fury is an exception. He's got agility, coordination and good quickness for his size. From what we saw the other night Buster Mathis and Joe Bugner would of had a good shot at Wilder too. They could box. I think Ali might have done alright too.
