Deontay Wilder Vs. Luis Ortiz In Negotiations For March 3rd @ Barclays Center...

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  1. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Does your partner fear it?
     
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  2. kirk

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    Wilders team making one of the dumbest moves Ive seen in a long time by making this fight. I hope they prove me wrong.... but this is just bad management at this point in my perspective.

    Wilder should just be pushing for a 55-45 split with AJ and sit out until that fight happens or have a typical wilder fight until then. Basically, they should do whatever needed to make the AJ fight, imo.

    Fighting low tier fighters your entire career and then deciding to fight a legitimate threat and a fighter magnitudes higher in level than youve been in with, the fight before the type of megafight youve been chasing your entire career, is just stupid management.

    Whats crazy to me is, they have managed wilder well up til now.... and its NOW that they choose to take a big step up? On the eve of their megafight? Makes no damn sense.
     
  3. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Very dangerous fight, if anything Anthony Joshua is an easier fight for Wilder, because Wilder can depend on Anthony Joshua weak stamina in the later rounds to win by KO.

    One of the few fights where I am not sure Wilder can win by KO, there is a 15% chance that Ortiz can stop Wilder, Wilder should win by a decision. Ortiz just doesn't seem like a boxer who can be stopped by explosive power, he will interrupt any attack with deadly counters, Wilder/Joshua both were navigated away from Ortiz, it seems that Wilder is personally pushing for this fight (not his team)
     
  4. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If this fight goes through and Wilder knocks out Ortiz in 1rd much like he did with Stiverne he'd be entitled to go back to the negotiation table with a much better chance of getting a bigger split of the purse. This fight will also show if Wilder is REALLY ready for AJ, as well. Till both are in the ring though, I'm not reading too much into this, nor getting excited for the fight. Anything can happen in the WWilder.
     
  5. cippi

    cippi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    wilder wants to challenge himself. but lets see how ortiz looks dude is gettin old.
     
  6. kirk

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    Well... yes... IF Wilder went in there and actually beat Ortiz, he would be in a better position. And yes... IF he beat Ortiz, it would show he is ready for AJ. Those are big IFS in my opinion, which add to my point.

    My point was that the risk vs reward at this point is absurd given that Wilder vs AJ is the next logical match and the biggest heavyweight fight minus Tyson Fury regardless of Wilder vs Ortiz, so much so that an Ortiz fight at this point makes no sense.

    You dont go from fighting heavy underdogs to fighting someone like Ortiz (unless I am just vastly overestimating Ortiz and underestimating Wilder) on the eve of the fight youve been waiting your whole career for.

    I am speaking from a management perspective, not from a purists perspective.
     
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  7. Ilikeboxing

    Ilikeboxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think Hearn is willing to pay the 50% Wilder is after, I'd imagine Hearn only offered slightly more than what was offered to Team Parker recently, citing low numbers for Wilder in previous bouts as to why the sum is so low.
    I think the stalemate for the Parker/ AJ fight was stuck at 70-30(Parker wanted 35), I'd presume the offer to team Wilder is about 65-35 at the moment, and Wilder still wants more of that pie. 10% more of that AJ pie is probably more than 100% he'll be getting vs Ortiz.

    I think Wilder does want to fight the best, its his team that has been wrapping him in cotton wool and saving him from a brutal KO. This is also his mandatory fight which as been going on for almost 2 years in total, Ortiz is a legit tough test but he's 37 now and even Wilder may be able to from keeping it at range with his jab. This is HW boxing as well, even if Wilder gets KTFO, he'd still fight AJ at some stage.
     
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  8. latineg

    latineg user of dude wipes Full Member

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    Yes i agree with you, its risky, however, imo if Wilder blasts Ortiz out he should then be able to command far more from AJ when they meet.

    You are suggesting the easy route but if Wilders team fully believes hes ready maybe they are ready to take a riskier route in an attempt to win what they havent to date, a bigger fan base.
     
  9. kirk

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    Wilders team has shown their lack of belief in him through the path they have chosen to get to this point. To drastically change that approach on the eve of a AJ fight seems baseless and foolish.

    Everyone keeps saying 'yes but IF wilder can beat Ortiz, then.... ect ect', but thats just it.... contemplating that IF right now, if you are in charge of Wilders career, is just a bad move.

    The smart move is to just get straight to the biggest possible fight of your career against AJ, and apply that same IF Wilder is good enough to beat Ortiz, directly to the AJ fight. Because IF Wilder is good enough to beat Ortiz, hes good enough to possibly beat AJ, and if he beats AJ, he becomes the star he wants to be.

    Better to save that IF for the AJ fight, imo.

    Either he wins, and he becomes a name overnight and sets himself up for the big money in the rematch, or he loses, gets the best payday of his career still, and can go back to the drawing board and get built back up.

    Smart move is to just make the AJ fight.

    Just my opinion.
     
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  10. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    agree 100%
    glad its happening but as you say from wilders backers point of view to me makes no sense whatsoever given who he has faced before.

    ortiz is best when someone comes onto him at picking counters / he sees them and lands them better than joshua/parker /fury /povetkin/
    and he carries decent power as well and brings **** all money to the table.
     
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  11. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Same night (March 3) as the HBO doubleheader.

    Why not a week earlier or a week later?
     
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  12. sean

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    birthday present for me well a few hours after anyway
     
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  13. N17

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    I hope it happens, Wilder just needs a couple of good names on his resume win or lose, he is nearly 40 fights in to his professional career and all he has got is Stiverne.

    It's depressing in my opinion.
     
  14. MVC!

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    IT was all Ortiz's fault the fight didn't happen the first time. Let's hope he doesn't take shittons of PEDS before this fight and screw this one up again. Fingers crossed!
     
  15. latineg

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    Yes it would be awesome if Wilder were to finally step up for the very first time.

    I agree twice it wasnt his fault.

    But that doesnt mean he has stepped up just because it wasnt his fault he didnt step up twice, lol,

    Lets be fair for the good of the forum dude.