Deontay Wilder vs Murat Gassiev

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Dance84, Sep 1, 2021.


Who wins

  1. Wilder Knockout

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  2. Wilder Decision

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  3. Gassiev Knockout

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  4. Gassiev Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. NEETzschean

    NEETzschean Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I would expect Hammer to lose every round to an athletic, 6'7, elite amateur who carries power. Hammer had beaten Teper 2.5 years prior to the Ortiz fight and KO'd Price 2 years prior. He lost to a 37 year old Povetkin 15 months prior but would you expect anything different? Most would have expected Hammer to get stopped at the time and had he been well past his best he would have been, if not by Povetkin then surely by Ortiz or Yoka. Several months prior to the Ortiz fight Hammer had KO'd a 19-0 Wallisch in 5, which is not hugely impressive but he did not do worse there than the likes of Joyce or Gassiev, who got to Wallisch after he'd already been KO'd 3-4 times.

    I don't agree that Wlad was in his prime in 2006. He was coming off a shaky performance against Peter and was not far removed from the Brewster loss, which had badly knocked his confidence, especially as it was so close to the Sanders defeat. I do not doubt though that as tentative as he was (and we can see it in the first Byrd, Ibragimov and Chambers fights) a younger, fresher, less rusty Wlad on his win streak would have had far too much for AJ. I cannot deduce from any of the pictures though that Wlad was in "terrible shape", he looked in excellent condition and his weights were entirely in line with what they'd been from 2000 onwards. I maintain though that the key problem was mental rather than physical: even at 41 Wlad had vastly more ability than Andy Ruiz but Ruiz didn't let AJ off the hook whereas Wlad did. It would have been an ATG win for old retired defeated Wlad in Britain to beat 27.5 year old AJ no question but modern athletes, especially ones who keep themselves in great condition, can go on at a high level for longer and experience is proportionately more valuable than it used to be. In Wlad's case he also had a genetic advantage over most; even his more cavalier, injury-prone brother was still an elite HW at 41.
     
  2. Surrix

    Surrix Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vitali was not injury prone unless these shoulder problems and when he get older, back problems. He was former KBer and I suspect he had shoulder problems maybe cos this.
    Ofc Wallisch for Gassiev looked easy matchup.
    I suspect that Gassiev just is doing what his manager and promoter are telling him to do.
    For Gassiev looks that biggest problem was his inactivity period. He did not had fought too long time and therefore had been removed from active ranking ( alphabets and boxrec too had marked him as inactive ) positions.
    If you are in such situation, you do not have too much options: he fought this albanian dude cos this enabled him to get been ranked again as active boxer. This was first step.
    This his last fight managed him climb up in rankings.
    Everything thus far had been done properly.

    Will se Gassiev next fights.
    I think it depends from his manager and promoter: he will box vs guy they will feed to him.
    Will be this some bum or no, we will see.
     
  3. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Obviously Gassiev wins
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Gassiev will not be a force at heavyweight, he doesn`t have enough skill, he has never been in with guys that big.
     
  5. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Doesn't matter when you're in against Wilder tbh.
     
  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Oh sssh you Lemon

    Fury got up didnt he

    Its not as great as you make out
     
  7. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    This is propaganda at its finest
     
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  8. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    As big as 215lbs Wilder?
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Nobody Gassiev`s size could have taken that shot except Ali.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder punches harder than any 215 pounder in history.
     
  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Wilder never knocked out a fighter as strong as Chisora.
     
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  12. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    You can not prove that
     
  13. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    It wouldn't matter if he had.

    Dubble will play spindoctor with absolutely everything relating to heavyweight boxing in order to make Wilder look less **** than he is... And only people who DKSAB ever buy it.

    It's a shame because outside of heavyweight stuff he can be a thoughtful poster, but he's so hopelessly biased that it's pointless engaging with his crap about heavies.
     
  14. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I couldn`t care less, Gassiev has never been among the top P4P fighters, he`s not on Usyk`s level.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2021
  15. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Thats a totally different topic you've raised