Deontay Wilder vs Prime Foreman?

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  1. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Early in his career, Foreman routinely weighed what Wilder does now - around the 218 to the low 220s.

    Wilder would have the height and reach advantage, and he wouldn't be giving up any weight to Foreman. And Foreman wasn't very accurate, depending on a volume of shots, which often left him off balance.

    Against a younger Foreman, I think the bigger man (Wilder) ices him in short order.

    The older Foreman (say, up to the Holyfield fight), I believe, would do much better. George focused on the jab when he was older. He was conservative with his punches. He used the jab to create openings. Wilder would be sitting back waiting for George to miss, and I think the jab would throw Wilder off his game. The older Foreman would also have a 30-pound weight advantage, or so, and he would be difficult for Wilder to overwhelm.

    So, Wilder KOs younger George. And Wilder vs. Older George in his initial comeback (late 30s/early 40s) is a pick-em fight with a slight edge to George because, if goes the distance, Foreman may win on points.

    George Foreman after the Holyfield fight fight probably gets stopped in brutal fashion. The Foreman of the Alex Stewart fight onward would take too many shots and was WAY too slow. That's not going to work against Wilder.
     
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  2. The Clan

    The Clan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What a contrived mishmash of utter bunkum!

    How would the result go if they fought on a Tuesday?

    FFS!
     
  3. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    WTF...ORTIZ is the measuring stick here?!?!
     
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  4. Neon Maniac

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    Foreman was a size bully ,if he couldn’t impose on a same size guy he was mentally drained . Back then he was Deontay Wilder in terms of height ,Wilder just relies on size though and there’s a big difference. Wilder wouldn’t have physicality to intimidate Foreman who’s never actually been defeated by Punch It was because of him punching himself out .

    Wilder doesn’t have the high volume punching to make Foreman do that or the physical strength to stop him muscling him ,I’m sure Wilder can defeat most guys here but Foreman isn’t one
     
  5. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Foreman was an Olympic gold medalist. He had the skills to go along with his power. Of course, in his later (older) form, he relied on his punch and size.
     
  6. Neon Maniac

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    Foreman pushed and bullied guys backward ,got away with sloppiness and telegraphed just about every punch but the jab . All this wouldn’t work had he not been the physical guy he was . Winning gold wouldn’t mean much what he did as a pro as they are Amateur fights.

    Older Foreman relied on timing to catch guys ,his size didn’t win him the fights he slowed so much .
     
  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Imagine if Foreman landed the body shot which Fury dropped Wilder with. Foreman would've ****ing broke him in half!
     
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  8. Richmondpete

    Richmondpete Real fighters do road work Full Member

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    You are basically stating here that anyone larger than Foreman would defeat him. That's a pretty strong statement to throw out there for one of boxings all time best heavyweights.
     
  9. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    GF jab alone would have DW on dizzy street. GF by ko early. He could take DW best shots. Exhaustion beat GF in the Ali fightt now punching power.
     
  10. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    A 42 year old slower version of Foreman gave one of the best HWs of all time(Evander) in their prime all they could handle. There is no way a Prime GF loses to a mediocre HW.
     
  11. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Exhaustion beat Foreman not punching power vs Ali. Come on man thats not even debatable.
     
  12. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Foreman, despite looking slow and sloppy, was actually a very astute tactician. His style was dirt simple but highly effective. Get fighters moving backwards with his stiff jab and double handed push off, corner them against the ropes, then go to work with his heavy uppercuts and bodyshots while using his physical strength and long arms to hold them in place if they tried to come forward to land shots of their own. Rinse and repeat. Against taller fighters I'm not sure how well it would work, but Wilder doesn't really use his height in an educated manner anyway, so I don't see Foreman having too many issues.

    Essentially I see Wilder getting put onto the backfoot early, getting thrown off balance by Foreman's heavy jab which makes him miss his own shots, then getting his ribcage caved in by wrecking ball swings from Foreman while he attempts to shell up or clinch up. However, I can also see Foreman getting sloppy at some point and taking a long lunging right from Wilder while his arms are out in that mummy stance. In that case I can see Foreman getting rocked and maybe dropping to the canvas (younger leaner Foreman was a lot more prone to getting buzzed and put down than the 250lbs thickset older version). I think he rides the round out then gets back to work with a bit more craft or a bit more viciousness and stops a battered and broken Wilder soon after.
     
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  13. It's Ovah

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    Both Lyle and Jimmy Young put Foreman down. He wasn't impossible to hurt, and Wilder has both the length and the height to land on Foreman where shorter fighters might not.
     
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  14. FuryFTW

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    And unlike AJ foreman wouldn't duck Wilder for 3 years
     
  15. RB1702

    RB1702 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is the first time you’ve replied to me since I’ve been calling out all your ridiculous takes. You’re a committed troll and are just in here to bait people into arguments. So annoying.