Deontay Wilder vs The following fighters

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  1. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    How do you see Deontay Wilder doing against these fighters in their primes?

    Tony Tucker
    Tim Witherspoon
    David Tua
    Ray Mercer
    Tommy Morrison
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He beats all of them but Tucker would give him the toughest bout due to being 6`5, Morrison would be destroyed because he was pretty easy to KO and very easy to hit. Mercer migt have been resilient and aggressive enough to do well but his rech was too short as was Tua`s.
     
  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I'm happy picking him to go 0-5, but I'd say he beats Morrison.
     
  4. janitor

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    He would beat Morrison or Tua, but it could go either way with the others.
     
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  5. KidDynamite

    KidDynamite Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He's not beating Tucker, Spoon, or Mercer ... I don't think he beats Tua either ... And Morrison can win if he takes the fight to Wilder
     
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  6. Glass City Cobra

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    Tony Tucker--Prime Tucker gets off the floor to outbox Wilder in a very nail biting war and wins a split decision. Or Tucker gets punch shy and is content to go the distance. 50/50 fight.

    Tim Witherspoon--Witherspoon was very inconsistent, hot and cold. At his best I could see him beating wilder but the loss to James Smith is pretty glaring as far as his punch resistance goes (even if he lacked motivation). Wilder is much faster and hits harder than Smith and all it would take is one flush shot. Then again, Spoon can definitely hurt Wilder with that overhand right and can stick around if he keeps his crab defense tight. I would slightly favor Wilder 6/10.

    David Tua--Wilder ends up stopping him late or winning a lopsided decision. Both are pretty 1 dimensional but if Wilder uses his jab like he did in the first Stiverne fight, keeps his guard and pops out the right hand strategically to get Tua's attention he can end up putting Tua in his shell and keeping the pace slow but steady to win.

    Ray Mercer--Mercer is one of the few guys who could walk Wilder down and pummel him. But Mercer would be in really, really bad shape afterwards likely a completely shut and bruised eye, broken nose, etc. Might even get knocked down. It would be a hell of a fight. I see prime Mercer gritting his teeth and winning by TKO within 9 as long as his legendary chin holds up and he never gives Wilder the space to set up his looping bombs.

    Tommy Morrison--Wilder KO 5. Easy win honestly.
     
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  7. fists of fury

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    Tony Tucker
    Tim Witherspoon
    David Tua
    Ray Mercer
    Tommy Morrison

    Mmm...
    I think Wilder struggles.

    Tucker is almost as tall and rangy, has definitely better boxing skills and was a very hard man to stop. If he's fully motivated, I can see Tucker simply being busy enough and elusive just enough to outwork Wilder.
    He has the tools to do it, though Wilder's economical style will have it's benefits for Deontay, too. Tucker would most likely have to lead, which could create openings for Wilder. Still, I'd favour the busier fighter with better boxing skills. Tucker decision.

    Spoon CAN win, but will the real Spoon show up? He was often lazy and inconsistent, and for my money, overrated as a puncher. But still, when he was good, he was very good.
    Tough, went to the body well, a wide variety of punches, and he just had the hustle. Good stamina too. No way do I see Wilder out boxing Witherspoon. But, Spoon was almost sleepy in some fights and let the fight slip from his grasp.
    I'd lean towards Witherspoon because, again, just a better boxer. And he's tough and had overall a better game.
    Close to call, but I'd say Spoon by stoppage or decision.

    Tua's interesting because of the styles clash. No doubt Deontay would like to keep him at bay, with hard jabs and 1-2 combos. We know Wilder can hit, but Tua had an almost undentable chin, and the height difference may make it really hard for Wilder to connect with flush power shots.
    On the other hand, I shudder to think of what a Tua left hook would do to Wilder.
    But even so, Tua was limited, and here I don't see any reason why Wilder can't keep him off, for the most part, and simply pot-shot Tua.
    Tua was more an explosive fighter rsther than one who could consistently apply pressure, like a Joe Frazier. He'd have some interesting moments, but for me Wilder gets a relatively comfortable decision. Wilder UD.

    Mercer... again a heck of a tough guy. Very resilient. I think he had good skills, not as good as say, Witherspoon's, but he was no mug. And he was able to change tack now and then and box and move. No, he was never going to win fights that way, but it showed that he could think in there, and just try something different.
    Mercer can throw punches for 12 sounds, when fit. He actually had a fairly good engine, when motivated. (Funny how so many guys here struggled with motivation and consistency.)
    I never regarded Mercer as a puncher in the pure sense of the word. Could he hit? Of course. But he wasn't a Tua or Morrison. Even so, he hit hard enough.
    I think Wilder's style and ranginess does give Mercer trouble.
    I can see him controlling sections of the fight, maybe even with ease. But you can't count out Mercer at any stage. He had tremendous will to win, and had the ability to find that extra something.
    Either Wilder keeps Mercer at bay, or Mercer finds his way inside and bangs up Wilder. He's definitely the more rugged, physical fighter. But, he could run out of ideas and get outboxed.
    I'm just about meaning to Wilder here, but it's almost purely a guess. It can swing either way. 55-45 leaning towards Wilder decision.

    I want to give Morrison a chance here. Of course, he has a chance, but he was such a fragile fighter. Truly a glass cannon. (Great puncher, bad chin)
    Poor stamina too, for a highly - ranked fighter. But he really had some good skills. He could put together some lovely combinations, and with fluidity and power. Nice footwork, some subtle things.
    I really don't know what to make of Wilder's chin yet. I don't think it's glass. It may even be fairly good. Fury more ground him down than anything. Anyway, it's not bad.
    Essentially, we kind of have Morrison's hook vs. Wilder's right. It's the money punch for both, and the question is, who can see up his punch better, who can find the space and time to get it off?
    I think Wilder will, after a few rocky moments. He's simply taller, and punches straight. (When he's not going ape**** on a wounded opponent)
    But you never know, because Ruddock let fly with a wild shot and Morrison stretched him out. (Pretty much.)
    I'll give it to Wilder by knockout. Morrison is not durable and had poor stamina mostly. Wilder late.
     
  8. The Long Count

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    He loses to all of them except Morrison.
     
  9. SheenLantern

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    Beats Morrison, losses to the rest, Tua and Mercer stop him.
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I think Wilder is being tremendously underrated in this thread... and this coming from someone who doesn't even particularly like the guy.
     
  11. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    My opinions:

    Tony Tucker - Realistically Tucker should win, he's a better boxer, better mover, about the same size and more durable as I don't see Wilder knocking him out (Maybe down but not out) it could come down to just who wants it more and I think it wouldn't be a very active fight on either side, I'm leaning 60-40 towards Tucker though just due to being the better boxer and his durability.

    Tim Witherspoon - I think Witherspoon would cause real problems for Wilder with his defence and could stop Wilder if he's able to connect with the overhand right just as Wilder could with his straight right. I'm leaning towards Witherspoon by decision or possibly late stoppage.

    David Tua - I've seen threads before where people were pretty confident that Tua could knock Wilder out but I just don't see it. Tua was slow, lazy and predictable, I see Wilder just sticking behind the jab and landing the right here and there with Tua just following him and possibly going into a defensive shell like he did against Lewis and Byrd. Wilder by wide decision.

    Ray Mercer - This was another tough one for me, Mercer was strong and there's not many tougher than him but there were times where more than once he didn't show up when he was meant too. I'm going with Wilder by decision with a few rocky moments possibly along the way.

    Tommy Morrison - Very likely this could be a slugfest, both getting rocked but I'm going with Wilder by stoppage in 4-5 rounds.
     
  12. George Crowcroft

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    I think he's being overrated.
     
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  13. Showstopper97

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    Some guys think that every half decent fighter from the past beats Wilder. Tbh I see him beating Morrison by KO in a 55-45 fight in favour of Wilder, & have him outpointing Tua & Mercer. The Tucker & Witherspoon fights are the most difficult & I can see him losing both, but can also see him winning by KO. Realistically he can beat all of them just as he can lose to all of them. It's absurd to think he has no chance against any of them, even if you have him losing.
     
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  14. Moggy94

    Moggy94 Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah I definitely think he beats Tua and Morrison and I see the others as going either way. I think the problem people have with Wilder is he's kind of the "Anti boxer" So to speak, he does everything you are told not to do in your first few training sessions on boxing, throws windmills and heavily relies on power due to his lack of boxing skills/IQ. I believe this is one of the main reasons why.
     
  15. RulesMakeItInteresting

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    Tony Tucker wins UD
    Tim Witherspoon wins UD
    David Tua loses SD
    Ray Mercer wins 9th rd TKO
    Tommy Morrison loses in 4 rounds, but rocks D hard