Deontay Wilder vs Wladmir Klitschko?

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Deontay Wilder vs Wladmir Klitschko

  1. Klitschko KO/TKO/RTD

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  2. Klitschko points

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  3. Draw

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  4. Wilder points

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  5. Wilder KO/TKO/RTD

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Aside from the fact that Wlad is an Olympic gold medalist

    A three-belt unified champion who went on an 11 year unbeaten run at the world level and I think has won 25 world title fights in total over two reigns

    Went on a near decade long reign as champ

    Has a way better resume

    Beat way more world champions, like at least 10 to The Dosser's 2

    Was way more skilled

    An excellent technician who could actually box

    with superb footwork

    Fast hands and feet

    very athletic and coordinated

    Is bigger and stronger

    Had one of greatest and most powerful jabs the division has ever seen - a punch The Dosser has no defence for

    Had a murderous right hand and equally murderous left hook with deadly one punch KO power in both

    He knocked The Dosser out in the gym with big gloves and head gear on, dropping him numerous times and hurting him even more.

    The Dosser is an uncoordinated one-trick pony hype job who fought trash

    And he wanted nothing whatsoever to do with Wlad after getting knocked out by him in the gym by him

    This is what he said when Wlad was the WBA, IBF and WBO unified king who hadn't lost in a 11 years, and had made 18 defences of his title (s) during his 9 year second reign and The Dosser held the WBC belt and had made a whopping one defence of it and had only beaten Stiverne, and the mighty Eric Molina and Scuba Scott

    ''I’m sitting in the driver’s seat'':risas3::facepalm:

    Deontay Wilder made clear that if he fights Wladimir Klitschko in a big heavyweight unification match next year, it will be on U.S. soil and not overseas where Klitschko has fought often.


    “I have the most prestigious belt in all of boxing,” Wilder said. “I have the goods. I have what he wants. Every fighter wants their name on the WBC belt. I have it, so right now I’m sitting in the driver’s seat. If he wants to fight, he’s definitely going to come here to America. That way when I take all the belts, it will be rightfully at home.”



    A well past prime 67 fight vet albeit still formidable Wlad who was four months shy of turning 40 lost a razor-close decision to a better version of Belly than any of the ones who knocked The Dosser out, let alone the moribund inactive muscle atrophied shell of Baptism I.

    The skill level gap between Wlad and The Dosser is astronomical and I genuinely believe Wlad could not only beat him with the jab alone but he could KO him with just the jab
     
  2. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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    Wlad had:
    1. Much better and stronger left hand (jab and Hook on historical level)
    2. Better foot work
    3. Better clinching skills
    4. He was heavier and I bet much stronger than Wilder
    5. Better defence

    Wilder advantages is only
    1. Straight right hand on maximum level but Klitschko also got it on fantastic level probably 10 % difference.
    2. Little better size (201cm height with 211 reach to Władimir 198 cm height and 206 reach)

    I think they got pretty similar punching resistans and pretty similar speed.

    For me it will be 65-35% for Wlad. If we add mental advantage from sparing where Dr. Steelhammer kick his ass pretty bad + we take prime Klitschko (imo his best is in 2009-2011) I see Wlad winning in one sided fight.
     
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  3. Mickea4

    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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    People act like Wlad was as chinny as Khan or something, ok his chin was maybe below average for the top levels of the sport, but I think his chin keeps him in the contest long enough to land on Wilder and once he does, game over. Wilder is brave and tough, he probably gets up , then immediately down again. Like that ChumbaWumba song in reverse
     
  4. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Listen, if Wlad wants to spark The Dosser out cold in 2 rounds or under he could do so with ease such is the disparity in skills, class, technique, ring IQ and there's no way The Dosser is remaining conscious let alone vertical after eating a flush right hand or left hook which Wlad would be able to land with ridiculous ease given all the aforementioned. It's not even a competitive fight FFS :facepalm:

    I'm not a gambling man but that would be one fight I'd have zero qualms about having a flutter on and extremely confident of winning

    This is Wlad toying with a prime version of The Dosser's second best win's (Stiverne) second best win (Ray Austin), a fighter who was whooping the ass of The Dosser's second best win Stiverne until he ran out of gas when he was way past his prime. Wlad knocked Austin out in 2 rounds without intentionally throwing a single right hand in the fight, which he could easily do to The Dosser too if you KSAB

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  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Utter clowns talking about "Wlad wins 9 out of 10". As if Wilder is Wach or Eddie Chambers!

    At this point the fight would be priced around 50-50. 2019 Wilder is taller, faster, has a bigger right hand, a better chin and is mentally tougher, with useful experience against a far better opponent than Wlad had ever faced prior to Fury. Wilder himself is also better than anyone Wlad ever faced prior to Fury and Fury is better than Wlad. Wlad's also got a "choke artist" vibe that Wilder doesn't.

    Customary Emanuel Steward quotes:

    Povetkin doesn’t have the speed, skill or power to trouble Wladimir and he looks up to him, he has too much respect for him.”

    “There’s one kid in America that no one speaks of and that’s Deontay Wilder. He was on the Olympic team, big kid, and I have had the fortune of training with him. He is a big kid, he’s bigger than Wladimir too. But he’s got good speed and power and I think the best talent is still going to be Tyson (Fury) and Deontay Wilder.

    “It’s a really awkward situation because Wladimir is such an intelligent fighter that he doesn’t look that good oftentimes when he fights guys who are defensive-minded. He fights best when guys attack him”

    Wilder would also have a clear blueprint to follow, set by a guy with 3+ inches less height and reach, less power, less athleticism, much worse chin etc.
     
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  6. deyell

    deyell MOLECULE FROM HELL. Full Member

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    Wlad always got up. He got stopped several times, but always finished on his feet.
     
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  7. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    I'm amazed this is as close as 25:6...

    The Deontay delusion is strong around here.
     
  8. northpaw

    northpaw Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't believe anyone that stopped Wlad hits as hard as Wilder (Corey hit with more speed but not harder).
     
  9. The Long Count

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  10. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Vitali can step back continuously and control the distance, that's why he would win, not because of chin.
    Wlad was hittable. He prevented it by reaching out and grabbing. Ineffective and dangerous strategy against a guy who doesn't box and who doesn't want to win rounds. So wlad being better at this that and the other is moot. Wilder has one method of victory and he either gets it or he doesn't. Only fury avoided his unconventional awkward by style fighting fearlessly and offensively up close. Neither things wlad is capable of.
     
  11. Redbeard7

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    Vitali could control distance against the best SHW he ever beat in Sprott-victim Timo Hoffmann (UD12) but he couldn't control distance against 257 lbs Lewis, so the jury's out imo. Objectively Vitali would need at least 22 minutes (Danny Williams level and up) before his accumulation may start to come into effect; that's a lot of time for Wilder to force some kind of stoppage/for Vitali to find a way to lose. If Wilder's having problems finding his range then he'll take start going for broke before long and he wouldn't be taking a big risk in doing that against Vitali.

    Wlad's best chance would be to let his bombs go early but he'd try to box relatively cautiously with 12 rounds in mind instead and even if he dropped Wilder he'd still be reluctant to go for the finish for fear of gassing or walking onto a big one. Wlad did well getting away from Haye's swings for the most part but Wilder's got 4.5 inches of height + 5 inches of reach on Haye, so I don't think Wlad would be nearly as effective at stepping back to avoid shots against Wilder, and one good shot could very easily severely compromise him.

    Narcissist Haye also subsequently admitted that Wilder was giving him the business in sparring:

    Haye: "I’ve sparred with Wilder, I’ve felt it. I know. His power is phenomenal. Even in 20-ounce gloves in the gym, he stuns everyone he spars with. He stunned me often. My haymaker is a hell of a right hand and I think I buzzed him once or twice. But nothing like he buzzed me. It’s scary what he can do to opponents in fights wearing 10-ounce gloves. For sure, he is the biggest puncher ever." - 2020
     
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  12. BlackDog

    BlackDog Active Member Full Member

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  13. Joy_Rones

    Joy_Rones Member Full Member

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    lol didn't Wilder get repeatedly spanked in sparring by Wlad

    There's even footage of Wlad slapping him around like a redhaired stepson.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Wlad's chef was a poster here and iirc he baked a birthday cake for Wilder after Wlad KO'd Wilder in sparring.

    The problem for Wilder is that Wlad is so, so good at judging distance and seeing when shots are loaded up on. Wlad will step back or disrupt the attack with his own jab time and again. Wlad's timing is great and he's going to catch Wilder way earlier than Wilder is ever going to catch him. Yeah, Wilder has freak power but 9/10 times it's not going to land before Wlad detonates on Wilder first.
     
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  15. BubblesUK

    BubblesUK Doesn't buy hypejobs Full Member

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    Exactly - and Wilder's biggest punch, his "bomb" is pretty clearly telegraphed... Wlad would have little difficulty picking it.
     
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