Deontay Wilders H2H Ability Is Underrated

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Joeywill, Jan 17, 2022.

  1. Showstopper97

    Showstopper97 The Icon Full Member

    Oct 7, 2020
    People are confusing H2H with P4P. Resume & accomplishments have nothing to do with H2H. Riddick Bowe & Vitali Klitschko had weak resumes, but they are rated highly H2H by most people (including myself). Wilder is pretty good when it comes to H2H HW's.
  2. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

    Mar 12, 2018
    Problem is that we need the resume in order to rate the other attributes. I agree he's not without his qualities and at times he's been underrated, but that careful career planning by Finkel and Deeas has made it difficult to make a case for Wilder at the very top level. Great power, plenty of heart, not really able to say much more than that.
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  3. Rollin

    Rollin Active Member Full Member

    Nov 17, 2021
    It's overrated.
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  4. lobk

    lobk Original ESB Member Full Member

    Jul 19, 2004
    Wilder has fought who? H2h king of beating the gatekeepers. His best opponent is Ortiz.
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  5. UmarIFLUmar

    UmarIFLUmar Active Member Full Member

    Jan 8, 2021
    I actually do think he's underrated and I'd back him to beat pretty much anyone in the division outside of Usyk and Fury.

    Just a shame he wasted so much of his prime fighting nobodies.
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  6. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 4, 2018
    Wilder's size combined with his power makes him dangerous in H2H. But the fact Ortiz troubled him shows that medium-sized heavies have a good chance of beating him. If Ortiz can cause problems, then so can Ali, both Klitschko's, Lennox etc in the past. As for now, I see Usyk and Joyce beating him.

    I've changed my mind on a few matchups though. I used to think Whyte would beat him, but Deontay has shown heart and a solid chin. I think he'd knock Whyte out cold. AJ is also a toss-up. I previously thought AJ had the advantage, but I tend to prefer Deontay now.

    And he probably beats the rest I haven't mentioned.
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  7. boxingjunky

    boxingjunky Member Full Member

    Nov 8, 2020
    Not without getting dropped 2x. Don't forget how long that rematch lasted.
  8. exocet76

    exocet76 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Feb 28, 2012
    I doubt Stiverne even trained for the rematch he looked in terrible shape.
  9. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

    Dec 6, 2008
    I think he'd have been KTFO often in other eras. But he's ok. That right hand is crazy.
  10. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    Great right hand but little else. Average chin, poor boxing skills.
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Jul 4, 2014
    He is a bum with a good right hand.
  12. StussyBrownnn

    StussyBrownnn Member Full Member

    Aug 17, 2021
    which HW legends do you actually think he will beat?
  13. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

    Jul 29, 2018
    There's over 15 current HWs I'd back to beat Wilder now let alone past greats.
  14. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

    Oct 16, 2019
    He’s actually one of those guys that gets overrated to make Fury’s resume look better.
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  15. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 4, 2005
    Bowe is overrated H2H in my opinion but even his weak resume craps all over Wilder's with his 2 wins over Holyfield and Bowe actually had some boxing skills, could fight on the inside too and didn't just rely on power.

    Vitali is a better example of a H2H monster, resume doesn't match his actual ability. But unlike Wilder, Vitali didn't struggle with journeymen and fringe contenders.

    While Wilder was getting dropped by Sconiers and Nichols on the way up, Vitali was crushing similar level guys early.

    Wilder won his title vs an ill Stiverne going 12 rounds while Vitali crushed Hide in 2 to earn his first title.

    Wilder was struggling in title defences against guys like Molina, Duhaupas, Szpilka and Washington. While Vitali was dominating guys like Peter, Johnson, Gomez and Chisora in comparison. Chisora alone would beat Duhaupas Szpilka and Washington and do so convincingly.

    Wilder needed a robbery when stepping up to fight a 50% Fury for the first time. Vitali lost to Lewis but pushed him hard and was stopped on an injury.

    Wilder's best win is vs a faded old Ortiz who's best win is Jennings. Vitali's best win is probably Sanders who's best win is Wlad.

    Ones a head to head monster the other is a head to head joke.
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