Deontay Wilders H2H Ability Is Underrated

The rematch means nothing. Stiverne was fat, old and inactive.

 

Yep not fought for 2 years and 15lbs heavier in the rematch.

Stiverne was never the same after he won the title. He was always lazy but what motivation and discipline he had vanished after winning the belt. Similar to Bowe's attitude to winning the titles and perhaps Fury too, once they achieved their life long goal they lost something. Fury found it again probably due to financial necessity but Bowe and Stiverne never did.

Douglas too probably falls into this category too. Always lacked discipline but whipped himself into shape to beat Tyson but then showed up a mess vs Holyfield and handed over his belts with very little resistance.

 

Can we say his best win besides Ortiz twice might actually be (dare I say it) Breazeale? So what do we know about him head to head? He got quite lucky against Ortiz in the first fight, if the stalling wasn't purely intentional, and got outboxed quite a few times already.
There's this right hand and seemingly the judges, looking at some pre-stoppage scorecards, that can bail him out of many fights. But, if the odd opponent he faced could actually box a bit, he looked pretty bad.

A good chin and some boxing ability can get you a long way against him already, if you pack a punch with it you actually have a very good chance to beat him. Then there's the division's top guys. The division isn't very strong at the moment, seeing that some of the past it contenders that stuck around and even some of the guys that didn't make it in the previous era, have been in the mix. But there are still a couple in there who have a very good chance or are actually favorites in my book if he would actually face them.

I saw the Bowe and Vitali comparison made in this thread, as their resume's aren't upto par and still are considered H2H monsters. Please take a look at their resume's again, and then compare that to what Wilder faced... it's incomparable, even if their's is also on the weaker side for such dominant fighters. And then take a look at the difference in dominance in their fights. Certainly when Vitali is concerned, who arguably only lost 10 to 12 rounds in his entire career, even counting the 2 fights he lost. Also, the boxer with the highest punch output of any Heavyweight champion in history, despite of his size.

Wilder isn't that dominant, he only has his right hand thrown from across the ring. Never faced fighters in their backyards, except for Audley , without knowing the judges or the referee would bail him out if he got into trouble.

What I do have to say in his favor is that he's one of those fighters that always has a chance whoever he faces. Against some he would need the punch to be perfect, and he might only be able to land it one out of 20 fights, but the chance would always be there. Not many fighters have that.

 

One trick pony. It's a big trick but it's the only trick besides height and length.

 

Nobody has the hardest punch in boxing "by far". It likely is up there with the few hardest hitters.
You like to worship Fury so big up Tyson.
They are World Class fighters.
But you vastly overstate things-if he loses-which he will, very soon or before too long-I hope you admit you were waaay off to say "all other opponents will be a breeze".

 

It's hard to accurately gauge Wilder's H2H ability against other top HWs due to how garbagy he looks against average boxers but how hard he hits. He's the type of guy you can never write off but at the same time there are a number of fighters you'd have to have on paper beating him, including Joshua. I suspect if you pitted him against the top twenty of the division his record would look very spotty; he might have a few big wins here and there but also a couple of upset losses.

Any seasoned version of Joshua pre-Usyk probably beats him though. Unlike the stumblebums he routinely defended against he'd be up against not just a decent boxer who matches him for size, but someone with very good power himself and a solid chin and fighting heart (anyone who disputes these last two qualities needs to familiarise themselves with the Wlad fight again). Wilder would likely find himself put on the backfoot early against Joshua then eat a couple big right hands over his lazy jab, or step in left hooks once Joshua has opened up a defensive hole on that side. Due to both of their heights and styles this'd be a very upright fight with mostly jabs, crosses and hooks thrown. Joshua's physical strength and two handed push off would probably come into play at some point as well, if Wilder looks to hold on. Joshua could get dropped by the right straight if he loses concentration at any point, but given how he was able to recover in the Wlad fight I think this'd just act as a wake up call to him rather than the beginning of the end.

 

I keep vacillating on who wins a Whyte vs Wilder matchup. Stylistically it favours Wilder since his long right hand is more likely to connect with Whyte's chin, than Whyte's short left hook to connect with Wilder's. But Whyte also has that decent jab, and a lot more seasoning against top ten/twenty guys to round him out a bit. Both are error prone and not the greatest boxing brains on the planet, but Wilder is still all instinct and emotion whereas Whyte has demonstrated some craft at times. If Whyte had a slightly better right hand and didn't keep making those howling defensive lapses where he randomly backs up in straight lines with his arms held out, or flings a big left hook that spins him around 180 while missing the target by a mile then I'd probably pick him, since the rest of his game is superior to Wilder's.

Joshua might be a toss up if Josh has been mentally destroyed by Usyk. But even the post-Ruiz 1 version would be the betting favourite for me.

 

Sure, and North Korea, with its hypersonic H-bomb, is a head-to-head match for any military power.

Point is, you need more than just one destructive weapon in your arsenal when you're faced with opponents who have several.

Yes, his right hand could see him beat boxers with better all-round skill sets. But a H2H ranking requires more than a belief his right hand could negate his shortcomings. That's like comparing a lottery winner with Elon Musk...

 

just to put wilders best opponent upto 40 th fight was ortiz
whom dave allen fought in his 12th fight
wilder fans just think about that for a second
dave found stones wilder vouldnt in only his 12th fight
wilder is a *****

 

He would have KO'd basically all the ''old greats'''. It's pretty obvious considering how much they got hit and now it's proven Wilder can take punishment and doesn't quit. Maybe he gets clipped and stopped a few times along the way, but in general he is KO'ing them. He just has to land a few bombs on smaller guys who get hit a lot. Come on.

 

Yours might be the dumbest post of the day.

What is someone said:

Lennox Lewis's toughest opponent may have been Oliver McCall
Whom Art Card fought in his 14th pro fight.
Just think about that for a second.
Lennox Lewis is ****.


Who cares if Luis Ortiz beat the living hell out of Dave Allen in Allen's 14th fight.

Dave Allen didn't win. Just like Art Card didn't beat McCall.

Deontay Wilder is a dangerous opponent for any heavyweight who ever lived because Deontay Wilder is likely the hardest heavyweight puncher who ever lived.

If you can take that right hand and get off the floor and come back ... great. If you can't, you lose, by knockout.

Most of the heavyweights who ever lived wouldn't outweigh Wilder by 40 pounds and have a height advantage over him ... and most wouldn't be able to take that shot.

Your precious Dave Allen, included.

 

lennox was unifed wilder never near was approaching 50 fights
check your self fool

 

Of course, totally missed the point.

 

no point other than the point i made
calling out a nigh on 50 fogths 4 relevant
and was never undisputed
fighting a guy in his 40th fight when a mental patient took him on in twelve
**** right off

 

I'm just curious.....

Are you special needs?

Just asking for a friend...

If you think Wilder is the hardest puncher ever then you're demented and a bit spasticated.

If you think Wilder can land that despite being clowned and outboxed by C level fighters then you need to seek professional help maybe an anti psychotic to settle your mental disturbances.

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