Deontay Wilder's second best victory and title win was just humiliated by a fat cajun midget

I don't know man. It really is hard to pick out Wilders best win after Ortiz. Ortiz is clearly his best win. After that all of his defenses are pretty close in terms of quality. Stiverne I might be his second best solely on the fact that it's how he procured the WBC title, and it was easily one of the best boxing performances of his career(if not the best). Stiverne lasted the distance as well which says something.

 

This is how people talk about prospects coming through the ranks on how well they would do when they step up. This is sad that it's being used to defend a 5 year title holder with 10 defenses. You would think you would be saying he beat these guys instead of doing better against their opponents than them. But Nope.

 

No one man should have all that power

 

Povetkin got popped and yes he ducked Wlad for an easier Stiverne

 

Three of Wilder's fights were against current No.1 ranked Fury, who was No.1 ranked in fights 2 and 3. No active heavyweight has fought the No.1 ranked fighter as many times as Wilder and every other Fury opponent has exclusively lost to him. Wilder has had 6 fights against top 7 Ring ranked opponents thus far. Since 2018 his quality of opposition has generally been very good, win, lose or draw.

I would make those kind of comparisons about any fighter. Parker for example, how many impressive performances has he had in relative terms and against who? Dimitrenko, maybe guys like Martz. Similar story with Ruiz with one big exception: the Joshua performance was impressive but what else is there? Whyte, also never really distinguishes himself against anyone. Whereas the likes of Wlad, Fury etc. tend to beat their opponents in more dominant fashion than most/all other fighters, which indicates that they operate at a higher level.

 

Stiverne has never been Wilder's second best opponent, certainly not h2h and not in overall resume of names beaten either. You could argue he is his second most accomplished on paper, but only because he became WBC titlist by way of a ridiculous chain of events that started with Vit Klit retiring to go into politics.

Stiverne vs. Arreola II being sanctioned for a "world championship" remains a farce. Neither was a top 15 heavyweight in reality when it took place. Stiverne was coming off a victory over Arreola himself thirteen months earlier, having done nothing since, while Arreola was riding the hype wave of beating HBO manufactured Seth Mitchell.

 

I would say that Stiverne 1 is Wilder's 2nd best win (after Ortiz 1) based on his chin (went 12 rounds, never knocked down before in 26 fights), determination, experience (beat Helenius and Price in the amateurs, two wins over top 10 Arreola), various factors surrounding the fight (world title debut, close to even odds, Wilder had never gone past 4 rounds before and was expected to be "exposed" by many etc.) and Stiverne carried substantial punching power, messing up prime Arreola badly the fight before.

Prime Stiverne might have lost to prime Gerald Washington but it isn't a vital point here because Stiverne had better chin, power and heart than Washington, so he was able to give Wilder a better test. Washington was taller and more fleet of foot than Stiverne but even more stylistically overmatched.

 

Arreola was kicking his ass in the rematch too, but got careless like always. Stiverne has always been mediocre, id say Charles Martin is a better fighter and titilist than Stiverne was.

 

"Neither was a top 15 heavyweight in reality when it took place."

Bold claim.

https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_2014

Stiverne, Glazkov, Perez, Arreola and Chagaev were all among the Ring top 11 at the end of 2014. I think it's hard to build a realistic top 15 at the time that would exclude Stiverne.

Stiverne might have lost to Washington, Szpilka and Duhaupas on a H2H basis but I'd say Stiverne was still a better win, based on a variety of external factors and Stiverne's attributes relative to the others barring Ortiz and Fury. Stiverne had a better combination of chin, power, determination, confidence and experience than nearly all of Wilder's other opponents. He also had the right idea in pressuring Wilder rather than making a futile effort in trying to outbox him like Ortiz 2, Szpilka and Washington.

 

"id say Charles Martin is a better fighter"

Clownish statement. A "better fighter" doesn't sh*t his pants and quit in 2 rounds.

 

A better fighter thats still relevant today. Stiverne fell off a long time ago

 

If Wilder beat Fury in the first fight he would have zero matches against the #1 HW. But since Wilder lost by knockout twice I guess you can spin that into a good thing. Whatever you want to tell yourself to make Wilder look better than he is.

 

I meant h2h. Both sucked.

 

Wilder's greatest victory was getting the bollocks draw with Fury.