Dereck Chisora vs Jack Johnson

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Quite often it's said that old timers are too small to compete today.

    It's been shown that beating Chisora is enough to get someone a top ten ranking. That's been true for everyone who beat him in his career.

    Johnson was only really beaten once in his prime and that was against Marvin Hart who beat him with pressure and aggression to take the decision. It's been said that Johnson was more accurate and landed the cleaner shots but the ref (was it siler?) Had said he was scoring aggression above all else.

    Chisora is probably the most aggressive HW today and is the bigger man in every dimension. But he's also a gatekeeper level boxer where as Johnson is a champion.

    Johnson is sometimes deemed as primitive but his jab and grab style is what made Wlad so successful. Leading with the uppercut isn't clever but it made Hamed successful. He is criticised for not throwing many combos but which HW does these days?

    Johnson would be the quicker man, the more accurate, the better conditioned and the better ring IQ. But Chisora would be the bigger man, the heavier hitter and has the style that defeated Johnson.

    Johnson would have to change his style here and box more like Byrd or Walcott because he'd be the smaller man and not able to bully Chisora around, instead relying on back foot punching and defensive reflexes.

    Who takes it?
     
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  2. Seamus

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    Johnson was no always the best conditioned guy himself.

    Other than that, I agree with everything you say.

    Chisora OM Johnson 12.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    OM?

    Out Moderns?
     
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  4. Pugilist_Spec

    Pugilist_Spec Hands Of Stone Full Member

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    I don't really think Chisora hit harder. The man is a pillow puncher.
     
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  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    And they said you were simple.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    A good post but I wouldn't say Chisora would necessarily be the heavier hitter here. Anyway, Johnson by decision.
     
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  7. lufcrazy

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    Johnson is sharper and more accurate but Chisora has clubbing power with all his weight behind it.
     
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  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've never seen him as a hitter.
     
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  9. lufcrazy

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    I wouldn't describe him as such, but I'd rather have Johnson hitting me than him.
     
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  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Prime Johnson obviously beats the lowly skilled Chisora. ATG skilled heavyweight champion vs a fighter who never should have been a contender.
     
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  11. janitor

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    I think that Chisora is exactly the kind of angry undisciplined opponent that Johnson would have loved to fight!
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    More skilled? Yes. More active in terms of throwing punches? No

    I think Chisora is also more durable and Johnson is giving up too much weight to clinch as a tactic.

    Neither man is a big puncher.

    Chisora's limited reach ( for a modern fighter ) helps Johnson.

    Likely a decision win here. I'd give Johnson a slight edge, but scoring could depend on preference.
     
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  13. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Johnson would stink the joint out with his constant clinching. Chisora points via activity.
     
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  14. FrankinDallas

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    IDK who'd win, but I bet Johnson would have smacked Chisora if he had water spit in his face.
     
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  15. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Chisora is a nothing and a nobody. A zero. Prime ATG Jack Johnson, one of the greatest defensive fighters ever to live, the fighter Fleischer called "the brainiest of all hwt champions" would win easily. There is no skill Johnson possessed that Chisora ever demonstrated in his entire career.
     
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