Dereck Chisora will be stylistically all wrong for Luis Ortiz if they fought now?

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Is Dereck Chisora stylistically wrong for Luis Ortiz

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  1. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    While it wouldn't shock me if Chisora weathered the storm and scored a late stoppage KO against the older Ortiz, it's not likely and he's definitely not "all wrong for him." Ortiz likely picks him apart and stops him inside 7.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    #TopTip - Use more paragraphs, nobody likes reading a wall of text.

    Firstly, I do rate chisora, he's underrated. He is durable. And he took damage in the takam fight, but didn't Muhamed Ali take damage with his rope-a-dope techniques. Yet regarded as a champion? If anyone can employ that strategy, Chisora is one of them.

    Secondly, to say Ortiz is feather first is a ridiculous claim, had you made a poll on here about Ortiz striking power you would see how the MAJORITY DISAGREE with you.

    Thirdly, in your OP Waffle, you did not even define 'What is a stylistically bad match up'' for Ortiz!
    At least define it first then start your discussion!!!!!!!!!!! My oh my!!!

    I think fighters that either have a lot of power in their punches and also a gunfight tendency, are a bad match up for Ortiz because it frustrates him and forces him to play along and stop boxing... eventually getting caught.

    Bottom line, Chisora vs Ortiz is a good fight. Ortiz has HEAVY hands not feather fists.

    Maybe we should get a punch meter on all these guys and settle it all. You'll be very suprised.
     
  3. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Vlad's left hook would have been a perfect stylistic match up for Chisora's slowly bobbing face. It's a shame that fight never happened because Chisora would have been properly KO'd cold as opposed to just mashed by Fury or TKO'd by Haye.
     
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  4. Ukansodoff

    Ukansodoff Deontay plz stop ducking Joshua. Thank you. Full Member

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    We need to remember that if Ortiz was to fight Chisora the chances are that any perscribed medication Ortiz needed would be permitted. Wilders crew wouldnt let him and he looked like a 7 round fighter who had run his tank dry by the 8th. Wed get a fitter sharper Ortiz. Wilder just fought a shell of a fighter and looks likes hes signing up to another one.
     
  5. velagod

    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ortiz looks better against people who punch back (hence him being a counter puncher) not punching bags like Allen and Allen took serious punishment from Ortiz couldn’t even get a hard on for weeks Ortiz is heavy handed.

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  6. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What random majority thinks doesn't matter to me. Luis Ortiz did indeed look massively feather fisted in his fight against Dave Allen. When you are unable to blast clowns and low level scrubs like Allen away in a very short time, then there's something seriously wrong with your punching power.

    And yes, I have specified what exactly is stylistically wrong for Luis Ortiz. It's a busy aggressive style that Chisora employs with a very durable chin which would be too much for the relatively light hitting Ortiz to crack, because he couldn't even crack the chin of a far inferior heavyweight in Allen.
     
  7. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Chisora rises up to the occasion and performs better against better opponents than against lesser opponents due to motivation. He beat Takam because he rose to the occasion. Chisora from the Takam and Whyte fights also beats Kabayel.

    At this point, Luis Ortiz has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to suggest he is a more proven heavyweight at the top level than Dereck Chisora. What's his best accomplishment in his boxing career? Oh that's right! It's beating Bryant Jennings! Let that sink in for a moment!
     
  8. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If light hitting Ortiz couldn't even score a single knockdown, never mind a clean KO over a total scrub and clown like Dave Allen with multiple of his best punches after multiple rounds. He's doing absolutely nothing to a far superior Dereck Chisora. Chisora will make Ortiz look like he has the punching power of a little sissy pssy after he walks through each and every one of his punches. Ortiz will tire from landing so many clean punches on Dereck Chisora that would have no effect on Chisora, and then end up getting brutally stopped himself from fatigue, rather than inflicting any meaningful harm on Chisora.

    Chisora is an aggressive fighter with a granite chin. That is what I mean when I claim he is 'busy'. Chisora lost to Kabayel because of motivation. Against better opponents like Ortiz and Takam, he rises to the occasion and performs better.
     
  9. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, Ortiz will lose by TKO after realizing how pathetically feather fisted his weak fists are when he throws everything but the kitchen sink on the iron chinned Chisora, only for those punches to damage his own hands permanently and worse than any damage he'd inflict on the granite chinned Chisora.
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Granite chinned based on what? Maybe it's more likely that Ortiz is a feather fist that can barely crack an egg at the highest level for him to fail to even score a single knockdown against the scrub in Allen?
     
  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    That's how I'd put it to. But I think I'd make Chisora the slight favorite at this point in time. I think Ortiz lacks the power to KO Chisora and the stamina to fight 12 rounds as Chisora would be able to.
     
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  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury is on a much higher level than the scrub that is Luis Ortiz. Not even comparable!
     
  13. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What has Ortiz ever done to be a top 5 heavyweight or even ranked higher than Chisora? Beat Bryant Jennings? Lol. Gimme a fu7king break!
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ortiz failed to even drop a clown like Allen and stop a clown like Malik Scott. He is not coming close to 'killling' someone who is on a much higher level in Dereck Chisora.
     
  15. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, Chisora was so bothered by their punches that he didn't suffer a single knockdown, or even come close to getting knocked out, or stopped, or even stunned. Chisora was so bothered by their light hitting punches that he won pretty much every round against Takam, dismantled Takam and brutally stopped him worse than Anthony Joshua and quicker than Povetkin. Sure, you make a lot of sense!

    Not to mention, Chisora walked through nearly everything Whyte and Takam dished out.

    Yes, Duhaupas has proven to arguably be a harder puncher than Whyte. But that doesn't mean Ortiz has proven to be a harder puncher than either of those guys. Whyte had already given a previously undefeated Dave Allen a beating en route to a decision win and damaged him pretty bad in the process. Meanwhile, Luis Ortiz faced Whyte's leftover version of Allen and still couldn't score a single knockdown and needed to settle for a corner retirement rather than a clean knockout, proving Ortiz hits no harder than Whyte. If Ortiz really hit harder than Whyte or hit as hard as you claim, surely he should've scored at least one knockdown over Allen, considering he was facing a more faded and damaged version of Allen than the undefeated Allen that Whyte faced? That fight doesn't at all prove Ortiz hits harder than Whyte. Instead, it proves they have even power.

    Duhaupas arguably hits harder than Ortiz too. Duhaupas cleanly and brutally one punch KO'ed a previously unbeaten version of Robert Helenius. Find me just one opponent, Ortiz put to sleep or made unconscious, especially an unbeaten opponent. And I don't mean standing TKO stoppages or corner stoppages. I mean, a real concussive clean knockout. You won't find any, because Ortiz doesn't hit that hard as a matter of fact.