Dereck Chisora will be stylistically all wrong for Luis Ortiz if they fought now?

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Is Dereck Chisora stylistically wrong for Luis Ortiz

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  2. No

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  1. Mickea4

    Mickea4 Active Member Full Member

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  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Errrr ok lets flip it around, you think Chisora has the punching power?? Come on man.

    Another poster the other day spoke to me about perseverance, will power and durability - sometimes a fighter will get hit hard and almost lose conciousness but sheer will power will prevent him from going down... this has happened with MANY fighters. Stipe Miocic of UFC a prime example of someone getting rocked badly 2/3 times in a championship fight, and almost going down but NOT going down.

    Dave Allen has a damn good chin, we all knew this before he even got in the ring with Ortiz - it's one of his BEST attributes. But Ortiz beat him with TKO? So what the hell do you want man? He made Dave, a very durable man, quit. And Dave Allen had erection problems for WEEKS after.

    If you can punch a man so hard that his ***** cant get up for THREE WEEKS you can punch hard.
     
  3. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Ohhhhh okay... so Fury has the K.O power yeah? I seen Fury knockout worse 'bums' than Dave Allen, Guys that look like they ain't done 1 push up in their whole career.

    When was the last time Fury knocked someone out and who was it? Name them!

    Moreover, I am getting TIRED of hearing Fury say "I'll knock him spark out" and not actually knock ANYONE out.

    In fact if he says it one more time, I swear I'll make a youtube video of all the times he says it, and then all the times he hasn't K.O. someone since he said it.
     
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  4. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Furthermore I think you are a very confused individual because apparently you think a durable chin is related to the quality of a fighter? That's not how it works. A bum can be a bad fighter with a great chin. There's plenty of examples.

    So Dave Allen ain't got to be top 20 to have a good chin.
     
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  5. jmashyaka

    jmashyaka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Allen has never been dropped not by Yoka, Whyte, Or even AJ in sparring. You obviously aren’t watching their fights if you are gunna compare Derek to someone like Scott.

    Scott got dropped several times, was trying to quit and the refer wouldn’t allow him to. He ran all night and at points the refer had to warn him to engage. Derek is a come forward plodder, he rests on the ropes and doesn’t use his legs, he is gunna be a sitting target and doesn’t have the legs to move like Scott did. He way more game and that would get him lit up, it would be one of the worst beatings Derek has taken looking at how past it he has looked recently.

    I know he is coming off a big win and credit to him but he did ship a lot of punishment and was down every round and was looking like getting stopped at times till that big overhand right flew in.
     
  6. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Based on Ortiz, Whyte and Yoka not being able to properly hurt him. Ortiz cracked Jennings, Thompson and that bum that took Parker the distance, so nothing to suggest he's feather fisted.
     
  7. BCS8

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    Luis Fernando has to be an alt troll account of one of the regular posters here, just having some fun!
     
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  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Most likely, I'd put money on it. He probably got tired of people overranking Ortiz lol
     
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  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    31 votes to 1

    LOL!

    But you don't care about "random" majority vote results yeah?

    I bet that one vote was yours right?
     
  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whyte, Yoka and Parker aren't being called the ultimate 'boogeymen' of the heavyweight division like Ortiz is. Nor are they considered for the most part, 'murderous' or great POWER PUNCHERS. If they are, then I'd massively disagree and also consider their power to not be that high.

    Ortiz is the one being overrated. Hence, to fulfill the standard set by majority of the people, particularly Wilder and Ortiz fans, Ortiz is the one who has to be dropping and keeping clowns like Dave Allen to the canvas for a 10 count in super quick time and not go 7 rounds without even scoring a single knockdown. Otherwise, his power is not fulfilling the standard that has been set by the vast majority in the boxing community.

    If you guys don't enjoy seeing Ortiz's punching power being exposed and criticized, then avoid rating his power and him as a boxer, above what he deserves. He hasn't proven to be this terrifying 'boogeyman' or this specially 'monstrous' puncher that many seem to claim in the boxing community.
     
  11. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fury isn't called some 'murderous' puncher like Ortiz is. So he isn't expected to KO his opponents like Ortiz is. However, I agree about Fury being wrong in lying about KO'ing his opponents and not even attempting it.

    My point was that Fury is a superior heavyweight than Ortiz. It had absolutely nothing to do with punching power.
     
  12. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My point is, if you can't even drop someone like Dave Allen as Luis Ortiz couldn't. Then you aren't going to stop / KO a far superior heavyweight in Dereck Chisora who is arguably even more durable.

    And at this point in Luis Ortiz's career, a KO is the only way he could win fights. Considering he is at an old age where he lacks stamina to last the full 12 rounds (perfectly understandable and reasonable). And if Ortiz doesn't have the power to KO (I mean a literal definition of a KO) someone, such as Dereck Chisora, then he can't beat them because he is going to fade down the stretch in the later rounds and would either lose a decision or get stopped from fatigue.

    Ortiz would suffer a similar fate against Chisora as Takam did.
     
  13. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    No, because they haven't had problems getting fights. Yoka hasn't tried to yet as he's working his way up but the others are not avoided.

    No one else has done that to Allen so you're holding Ortiz to a standard that has not yet been set by anyone. If Yoka had come along and blasted him out cold in 5 then ok we have something to compare him to but presently that doesn't exist.

    Yoka I'm unsure about right now but I feel comfortable in saying Ortiz hits harder than both Whyte and Parker. That doesn't seem a particularly big call to be honest.
     
  14. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whether they've had problems getting fights or not is totally irrelevant to the point I'm making. My point still stands, that they aren't being rated as some ultimate boogeyman or some monstrous or great puncher like Ortiz is. Which is why, I'm not criticizing their power or them as boxers as I'm criticizing Ortiz. Simply because, they aren't being overrated.

    When one is being called a 'boogeyman' of the heavyweight division with monstrous power like Ortiz, then I'm going to hold him to that standard. And whilst holding him to that standard, he should be expected to totally blast away clowns like Dave Allen in super quick time by dropping them to the canvas for the 10 count. If he isn't fulfilling this feat, then he doesn't qualify as this boogeyman or monstrous power puncher.

    And more precisely, if people claim Ortiz would KO or even stop someone like Dereck Chisora, but Ortiz fails to even drop a far inferior heavyweight in Dave Allen who is arguably even less durable than Chisora, than we have to question his chances severely against Chisora. And it's fair to deduce he won't have much of a chance at winning by KO / stoppage against Chisora if he couldn't cleanly KO Dave Allen in 7 rounds. And KO is the only way Ortiz can win in his career right now.

    And I see no evidence at all that Ortiz hits harder than Whyte. If Ortiz hit harder than Whyte, then he would've cleanly and brutally KO'ed Dave Allen by dropping him to the canvas for the 10 count. Especially since Whyte fought, beat and damaged Dave Allen before Ortiz fought Allen. Yet, Ortiz fought Whyte's left over who was more faded and damaged when he fought Ortiz than when he fought Whyte. Yet, Ortiz is unable to do a better job on Whyte's leftover in Allen by also needing all the rounds and by also failing to score a single knockdown in 7 rounds.

    That's not evidence of Ortiz being a more powerful puncher.

    I'll tell you who hits harder than Whyte or Ortiz. JOHAN DUHAUPAS! Wanna know why? Because Duhaupas cleanly, brutally and concussively KO'ed a previously undefeated version of Robert Helenius who trained properly.

    Meanwhile, Whyte failed to KO Robert Helenius after already being damaged from his KO loss to Duhaupas, who by the way, didn't even have a complete training camp as he did against Duhaupas.

    Duhaupas cleanly KO'ed a previously undefeated version of an opponent which Whyte later couldn't KO at short notice with an incomplete training camp.

    Meanwhile, Ortiz failed to cleanly KO Whyte's leftover after Whyte already beat him and damaged him.

    So what's more impressive?

    Duhaupas > Whyte = Ortiz in the punching power department.

    If Ortiz hit as hard you folks claim, he should've done to Allen what Duhaupas did to Robert Helenius. But of course, Ortiz is the king of standing and misleading and questionable stoppages. I've yet to see a single clean or concussive KO by Ortiz against a half decent opponent. His KO percentage is highly misleading!
     
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  15. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Facts are that if Ortiz dared to fight Chisora, it'd be his best opponent outside of Wilder.
    No guarantees that Ortiz even sees the end of that fight, Chisora can be relentless when motivated, not good news for the old boy.
    At HW, if you can take the other guys power it's a huge advantage...
     
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