Dereck Chisora will be stylistically all wrong for Luis Ortiz if they fought now?

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Is Dereck Chisora stylistically wrong for Luis Ortiz

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  1. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Struggling to get fights because you don't have people calling you out is absolutely related to being labelled as a boogeyman.

    Allen laughed and shook off Whyte's shots. Allen is on record himself saying Ortiz hit him so hard his blood ran cold. Allen wasn't Whyte's leftovers because Whyte couldn't stop him. In fact, Allen did better late on than at the start against Whyte, so that's some weird narrative you're spinning.

    What's interesting in your post is that you offer nothing to suggest that Whyte hits harder. More importantly, I never said he was a monstrous puncher. He's no Wilder or Wlad. But I think he hits plenty hard enough
     
  2. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But those guys aren't being OVERRATED as Ortiz is getting these days by a huge majority of members from the boxing community. When they do, then I will hold them to the standard that they are rated at. E.G. If they start being called the most powerful punchers in boxing or the most dangerous fighters in boxing, I'm going to evaluate their performance to see if they qualify as what they're being called.

    Ortiz is being called the boogeyman of the division and as someone who is supposedly some monstrous puncher. But when he is unable to literally blast clowns like Dave Allen in super quick time by dropping them to the canvas for the 10 count, it disqualifies him from being a legitimate boogeyman or this monstrous puncher as many seem to claim he is.

    Allen also laughed off Ortiz's punches too. And even if Ortiz hurt Allen more and even if Allen was more damaged by Ortiz, it still won't necessarily prove he hits harder than Whyte. Considering, Whyte PREVIOUSLY (PREVIOUSLY being the key word) beat Allen whilst inflicting a lot of damage upon him. So the Allen that Ortiz fought, was a more faded version, compared to the fresher and previously unbeaten version of Allen that Whyte fought. This is common sense! You get beaten or knocked out once. You're going to be less durable in the future. This is a scientific fact!

    If I keep punching a wall for 12 hours. And then my 10 year old son comes and breaks that wall the next day in just 5 minutes. Does that mean he hits harder than me? Of course not! That's utter nonsense! Me hitting that wall for 12 hours the day before worn down that wall and my son needed to do very little the following day to break that wall.

    You'd have a point if Ortiz fought Dave Allen first, and knocked him out cold inside the distance and then Whyte fails to KO Allen after Allen was already KO'ed by Ortiz. That would for sure prove Ortiz punches harder than Whyte. But not Ortiz failing to even drop Allen after 7 rounds when Allen had already been beaten by Whyte previously.

    Duhaupas proved he hits harder than Whyte without any doubt. He cleanly and brutally KO'ed an unbeaten Robert Helenius in just 3 rounds. Whilst Whyte failed to even drop Helenius after he had already been KO'ed by Duhaupas.

    Find me just one decent opponent Ortiz has KO'ed COLD and UNCONSCIOUS. I don't mean standing stoppage, corner stoppage or anything of that sort. I mean, a CLEAN KO! Like how Duhaupas KO'ed Helenius or how Dillian Whyte KO'ed Lucas Browne. Since I've yet to see any.
     
  3. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Oh my god. I am done with this nonsense.
     
  4. Monogamous STD

    Monogamous STD Ya know, Quasimoto predicted all this. Full Member

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    I think Ortiz, regardless of styles, should be favorite to knockout Del out.
     
  5. OpinionOfACasual

    OpinionOfACasual Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    As unlikely as it would be to see this version of Chisora win, Dave Allen made Ortiz do a funny dance.

    Whenever we've seen Ortiz get hit, he gets hurt.
     
  6. The God Himself

    The God Himself New Member banned Full Member

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    I agree. Ortiz might win a couple of rounds early while Del Boy takes some light refreshments in the form of Ortiz pitty patter punches, but he'd shatter Ortiz glass chin middle rounds.

    Ortiz is a poor mans Takam. I'd pick Bellew to KO Ortiz too because Ortiz is another Makabu - a boogeyman to casuals with a padded record full of cans
     
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  7. The God Himself

    The God Himself New Member banned Full Member

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    Wilder would still be asleep now if Whyte landed that on him. And he likely would land too being that Parker has a better defence than Wilder.

    It's little wonder Wilder is avoiding him
     
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  8. The God Himself

    The God Himself New Member banned Full Member

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    He didn't give Jennings a beating. They was going tit for tat until the stoppage.
     
  9. The God Himself

    The God Himself New Member banned Full Member

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    Dave Allen has said in interviews there isnt much noticeable difference between Whyte and Ortiz power, he was just in better condition for the Whyte fight, the Ortiz fight was done for money at short notice, and he'd trained for 2 weeks, as opposed to the 10 week camp he did for Whyte and had trained at the Ingle gym with Dom Ingle- and you see the difference those guys make with BJS conditioning

    Allen is under no illusions the version of him that fought Ortiz would have been hospitalised by Whyte
     
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  10. Luis Fernando

    Luis Fernando Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ortiz isn't going to KO (KO being the key word and not nonsensical stoppages) anybody at the level and durability of Dereck Chisora.

    Who has Ortiz EVER, and I mean EVER KO'ed clean and unconscious who was anywhere near the level, especially in durability as Dereck Chisora?

    Ortiz couldn't even drop a clown named Dave Allen after 7 rounds of non-stop bashing and clean punches. But he is going to be favorite to KO Chisora? Sure buddy! Nobody objective would believe that narrative or notion.

    Chisora > Allen by a significant margin.
     
  11. Birmingham

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    He's heavy handed but imo not the puncher some say he is. Also if Chisora turns up with the bit in his teeth he could be hard to shift and could cause Ortiz major problems if it goes a while. I could see both men gassed by the 7th and anyone could land and finish it. I lean towards Ortiz..I do think Whyte sparks Ortiz though, he's improving every fight and has the biggest bollox in the heavyweight division
     
  12. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Putting a poll on an absurdly lame troll thread is a schoolboy error....
     
  13. dinovelvet

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    Ortiz beats the giblets of of Chisora. Nothing more to it that that :chuck:
     
  14. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Nothing more?
    Well, I suppose we are used to raw, fantastical speculation when it comes to Ortiz smashing people to pieces and 'nothing more' than that.
     
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