describe this trainers in 3 words:

manny steward - Trains boxer punchers
-freddie roach - All around trainer
-nacho beristain - No good answer
-ronnie shields - Diaz, that's it
-roger mayweather - Floyd, that's it

 

MS... Very well established and technically brilliant trainer
FR... A sound motivator, great tactician, unheralded trainer..
NB... Knows how to communicate with his own fighters , but is not for everyone.
RS... I like Ronnie, he is so experienced, his stuff works well for many , but sometimes doesn't for others.. When he gels with a fighter he is brilliant and can bring out championship class..
RM.. He is a natural boxing man, he knows the game to the core, but is in no way the best thing for Floyd.. He has a lot to offer but putting him with Floyd is like running an airoplane with diesel..

 

Manny - Gay for Cotto
Freddie - Available for Rent
Roger - Punch Drunk Unk

 

Fickle's not my bag. Read any of my posts on Taylor before the Pavlik fight, I've always called that particular spade the spade it has always been. :good

A great trainer can do great things with a great fighter, and sometimes great things with a good fighter. Obviously nobody expects a great trainer to be able to work miracles with an "okay" fighter (with the phyiscal tools to be good/great but a SHITTY mentality) - but you can expect them to walk away, and say "I'm not wasting my precious time with this." - and instead focus on cultivating truly great fighters who WANT to be great. Steward should've ditched the douchebag after either welterweight challenger - or even earlier in their working relationship; the writing was on the wall after their first fight together.

 

Emanuel Steward is a great trainer. But he only trains 1 style, and that is boxer puncher style. Hearns, Moorer, Lennox, McClellan, you can just go down the line.

 

I think Taylor will beat Pavlik in the rematch. I think it was evident he could have outboxed him, he just shot his wad and punched himself out. Going back to Steward, I would call his work with Mcall miraculous. There he took an average solid heavyweight, and showed him how to beat Lennox Lewis. He left the next fight, and Mcall lost his title to Bruno, who he should have beaten.

 

Maybe Taylor could beat Pavlik a few times out of ten. I don't know. That isn't some high benchmark, I don't really think Pavlik's that terrific. So far, though, he is the better man. And the opportunity for Taylor to either change that view (or cement it) is right around the corner. Either way, it's not a matchup of two greats. It's a matchup of a tough but limited fighter versus an athletically gifted but mentally deficient fighter. Second fight will matter as little - at least to me - as the first fight.

 

What other style is there? If he had a guy who couldnt crack an egg, they would be called a boxer. Its the most successful style in the history of the sport.
Moorer as a LH was more of a puncher as was Mclellan. Lewis Hearns and Klitschko are the opposites.

 

No trainer can get in the ring and fight for the fighter.
Besides --- there are lots of trainers out there who are a hell of alot better than these guys who usually steal ready made fighters with ready made skills.
What real good fighters need is a good promoter, manager and a bankrole to prepare a future champion.

 

And the sense to only stick with fighters they can work with.

 

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Well I also think Taylor was never brought along properly either. He definitely has talent, he wouldnt have been able to compete with guys like Hopkins and Wright the way he did. He was on the fast track and never prepared to fight the type of fights he was thrust in to. Thats the problem with being a poster child for HBO. The money comes quick, but in return you have to be ready to fight guys they want you to fight, and Taylor simply wasnt ready. Sometimes its better to have a promoter like Arum or King in your corner for that matter. They have experience and the money to invest in developing a fighter properly, whereas the newer guys like Dibella and Shaw are looking at cashing in on their investment as soon as possible, and they often times put them in fights they arent ready for. Take Miguel Cotto and Francisco Bojado for example. Both were highly touted amatuers, and Bojado was put on the fast track and Cotto on the slow one. Cotto developed properly into the fighter he is today. He had some bumps along the way, but he didnt go from fighting John Doe on the club circuit to Jesse James Leija on the main even on HBO. That mentally destroys a fighter when they lose, and you saw what it did to Bojado, he never realized his potential.
I believe Lacy will never again do much as a fighter as well.
Some other examples are David Tua when he signed with AMerican Presents, and David Reid, also Camacho Jr with the same promoter. The importance of developing a fighter properly is key, and the trainer doesnt always have the say in the matter, especially when there is millions of dollars on the line.

 

Manny Steward?

Jab and grab!

 

In other words, he couldn't train Tyson, Juan Diaz, Manny Pacquiao, he would take the steam out of them. He would turn them in to thinking boxer punchers, when they are obviously not.