Deserved respect for Kessler and Froch that seemed to not get noticed

there was no champion atsch
hence the tournament

ward getting his home fights was from having a savvy promoter - blame the other promoters for not taking him seriously enough to think he was a genuine contender

 

speaking of crying, what did you think to bhops crying like a lil ***** versus allen, calzaghe, jones 2, and dawson 1 :rofl

bhops the most cowardly crybaby in boxing history :|

 

who held the belts going into the tournament?

their was zero fairness in champions having to fight away and one fighter getting to fight at home all way though, do you agree with that?

how many fights were won by the away fighter in the super 6?

 

more importantly, what were they worth?
zero

how do we know that?
because everyone was happy to enter the tournament on an even playing field - the only advantages re-home fights were all agreed upon by the promoters in a sit down session prior to the tournament starting

why?
because paper belts meant diddly when the only true SMW champ had retired and the chance to be the undisputed SMW was at stake - even if the federations took the belts away at the end of the tournament, there would be one legit champ

why is it important to have one legit champ?
so people (like you are doing know) cant try to use bogus belts to legitimize fighters in some way

what dont people understand?
or are some people really unable of leaving allegiances and patriotism behind to see things clearly?

EDIT : sure, we can say in hindsight ward should have fought away

 

dude, i asked you 3 questions, how about you just straight answer them? :huh

 

the only way i can answer the first 2 is if you can accept that paper belts dont hold water - im guessing you cant because youve just said in another thread that you cant understand why guys like hopkins dont fight cleverley because he "called him out"

you cant have a healthy perspective in boxing until you can call a spade a spade

about the fighters in the SMW tournament and winning home fights :

ward won his because he was the best fighter in the competition, we all know that now
the other results dont really matter much anymore

 

we have a new serial question ducker in town

shocking stuff pal, you duck worse that bhop does :deal

 

to be fair to bailey, agree with his points or not he backs up his arguments and is prepared to debate. Just because folks don't agree doesn't mean he is a troll.

Ward is the best super middle weight on the planet at present.

I respect him for his skill set alone but have my reservations. Bottom line is that he did request that all his S6 fights were to be at home or he wouldn't be involved. This in turn raises questions, just imagine if froch and kessler both demanded to stay at home too, they would have been slaughtered for it. Ward also happened to have the easiest route to the final, what happened with Dirrell was a damn shame cos I really thought that Dirrell had the style to give ward hell.

Ward is a great fighter and really didn't need any kind of advantage at all in the super 6, i really think he would have won even if he had to do as the others did. In light of how good he his there will always be the argument that the S6 was made easy for him and therefore unfair.

I really wanted him to take on and beat bute to become undisputed but he didn't, instead deciding on Dawson who foolishly challenged him at a weight he was weak at.

Problem for ward fans is that some of the choices he has made have created more questions than are necessary for a fighter so good. Hence why there are many threads/posts on why he didn't fight bute, why he didn't travel etc.

I am a fan of ward but not one that would try to justify the negatives surrounding him.

I prefer champs to answer all questions, putting it all on the line and agree that both Kessler and Froch had more to loose. They too had everything to gain and in frochs case it was worth the gamble.

 

youre right, bailey isnt a troll
bailey just isnt interested in building blocks reasoning
baileys facts will remain baileys facts so theres no point debating

 

excellent post :deal

 

:thumbsup

 

Froch gets more props than nearly any other fighter on here, I dunno what you're babbling about. everyone respects the guy and how he's fought back to back to back difficult fights moreso than anyone in the sport.

 

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Deserved respect for Arthur Abraham that seemed to not get noticed, Abraham could have stayed out of the S6 tournament and pull a Calzaghe, which could have been:-

Sit at home while defending his world title with the occasional travel abroad, wait for 9 years before indulging into an unification bout with a rival champ, and appear on a few dance shows on terrestrial television. All under the observant supervision of his promoter Frank Sauderland. (********)

Instead, Arthur Abraham decided to step up a division, where he would be called a "midget" by Froch, travel to USA to risk his "0" against a road running Dirrell, and despite all this he still managed to reach the semi finals to put in a decent performance vs Ward. To top it all off, Abraham also did happen to also achieve unofficially "Knockout of the Tournament".

Mikkel Kessler couldn't manage to remain in the S6, Jermain Taylor couldn't manage to remain in the S6, Andre Dirrell couldn't manage to remain in the S6.

But Arthur Abraham went as far as he could without pulling out. :deal

 

Good post.

I'm a big fan of Ward's and think that he opens himself up to criticism he shouldn't have to take. Yes, he beat AA a few hundred miles from home in front of a pro-AA crowd, but he would have beaten AA anywhere. He could have traveled overseas.

Also, a simple "my hand is broken and I need time to heal" would have been much better than "Bute needs to fight somebody to get a shot at me."

These are little things, but they give Ward detractors like Bailey fodder for threads that bash him. Bailey's not a troll, just a biased poster with a major anti-American/pro-Joe Cal agenda.