Desperate Darren begs Macklin for a shot - cringe!

It's not up to you what nationality someone else identifies themself as. My best mate is born in England to two Irish parents. He might live in England, but his house is like a little Ireland. He feels closer to the culture and history of Ireland and has Irish blood. If he wants to consider himself Irish surely that's up to him?

 

Barker by ud

 

In the real world it dont work like that though does it. If your mate had to answer questions from police or authoritys on his nationality, where do you think they'd accept ???? Yes thats correct mongol HIS BIRTHPLACE, as anything else would be obstructing police( criminal offence). So although its ok casually to talk shite, when facts come into play in real life you have to accept reality

 

I think Irish people are pretty unique in that respect.

I know two sisters who were born to English parents.... yet all their grandparents are Irish (two live here, two there). One considers herself English and the other Irish.

Six Nation's day is always murder :yep

Most of my grandmother's ancestors are Irish, yet none of us consider ourselves Irish at all..... and to be honest there's no reason for me to at all. I'd be the stereotypical ''plastic'' as you'd say.

 

Hang on, I thought anything beyond analogies to horses and hippies was hyperbole? Hypocrite.

Oh - and you might like to look up the definition of hyperbole!

 

Slap you go out your way to be ignorant and take it far to serious. You will argue the toss however small it is, and like it imo. I crossed swords with you a few months back on this subject, and searched your previous posts(as you did mine) and there is no other esb poster that has the same relentlessness as you on a subject, you love it and i'm one of many you cannot convince. Do you not think that macklin might not have the following he should down to his identity crisis ???? Tipperary tornado needed to relocate to america years ago to play that card, he aint getting away with it over here as you can see by his following or lack of it. The thread title is totally wrong/stupid and there to bait.On this subject you go looking for trouble imo

 

Basically **** ALL PLASTICS AND PLASTIC DEFENDERS:tired

 

I'll drink to that sir! :good

 

This is up there with with scott gilfoid's articles. Absoultely shocking i had to cringe just reading this.

 

To be fair, though he writes awful articles and gets pathetically defensive, Slap IS correct. Though Slap is anti-academic apart from when he makes his amateurish allusions to (old) principles of law (which are not actually utilised in such static terms anymore), the nationality debate he constantly has is really an academic subject; there is no such thing as a fixed nationality. You have lots of leeway to label yourself in all manner of ways. Just look at last month's census; you have the freedom to describe how you identify yourself, with all manner of options open to you which need not be tied to any state.

It represents what we call an essentially contested concept, meaning that there's no fixed definition, unlike citizenship. It plays to what have been best labelled (by Bennedict Anderson - Slap might want to get someone to look it up for him because he could use it to make his point far more powerfully) 'imagined communities', which says that a nation is just what folk perceive it to be. There's nothing real or concrete about it, it doesn't refer to borders or legislative areas; it's simply a matter of feeling, who and what you identify with (be it religious, cultural or historical ties). My Welsh identity is imagined as much as your, presumably, English one. They have no meaning other than that we confer on them.

Considering that, I'm afraid you're going to have to put up with the plastics! They can decide to be, and be aligned to, whoever they want to be...and, while there's money to be made in it, I imagine they'll keep on doing it!

 

Back to the thread- Barker is deluding himself if he thinks he beats Macklin, I don't remember Barker being quite so confident and mouthy at the press conference before ill fated 'magnificent 7'. on the other hand i can recall macklin being quite clear and consise on the fact that he was better than barker and always would be

 

Yes - back to the thread!

I wonder if I'm the ONLY non-Irish here who thinks Macklin would win this if it was now...not so sure after he loses to Sturm (which I don't want but expect).

 

Exactly, i mean the cheek of Darren Barker to say he would beat a guy who has beaten world class operators like Asikainen and Elcock, how dare he.