Despite Strikeforce contract, Fedor Emelianenko can still compete in Japan

Freakshow was a bit strong for some cases; I'll explain it gegerding Choi in the post, certainly though there was a stretch of fights that were not capable of truely proving Fedor as the best in the world.

I love lindland, but that's not a fight that proves you are the best HW in the world, sorry.

Hunt was a pretty good fight, but there were clearly better fights. Some had Hunt top 10, but many didn't. His career after that fight has proven his doubters correct, but at the time it was at least a decent fight; it was not the best, but it was ok.

Coleman was much the same as Lindland, but because of age and deterioration rather than size. It's a ok fight, but again, it's not what a world champion does.

Rei Zulu was a legend, Rickson made his bones off him. Zuluzinho was a complete joke, he got subbed by BBJ (butter bean jitsu). It was a NYE fight, it happens, it's not a crime, but it's not a proper fight for Fedor.

Was Choi a freakshow? Actually I agree with you, it was an actual test, despite being a feakshow. It's not what the world champ should be doing, but it wasn't easy, no question.

Brocks first fight is also different than a world champ's nth fight; Brock was being tested as a fighter; not as the best fighter in the world.

So what we have is 2 1/2 years with no fight that could possibly confirm his standing as the best in the world. There were some challenges, but none of those fights were world championship quality.

All people want is a guarentee that there will not be another 2 1/2 years, he'll that there will never be 2 fights like that again. In the UFC there would have been nothing but fightng the best they could find, you may not think they are food because of god clear bias, but not even you can deny that the best effort to make the best fights would be made everytime. You can also guarentee that Fedor would not be fighting Zuluzinho in the UFC.

What the ufc offerred was consistency; certainty that 2 1/2 years wouldn't go buy without a certain top 5 fight.

Let me also be clear that I think he can do the same things outside the UFC, I just fear that history will repeat itself. Fedor has been signing world champ quality fights though, so if that continues the only dissapointing things would be him not fight Brock, not fighting in a cage with unified rules, and to a lesser degree not fighting Randy (that has lost alot of appeal though) or Mir, and not being in the most watched organization. Only the Brock and cage thing would be a true dissapointmemt though.

I don't know what you are talking about with assuming ai thinkthat about Schilt; that was a perfect fight at the time, Fedor's first in Pride against a hugely experienced opponent, both in Pancrase and kickboxing, a guy with a huge size advantage, and great striking (not as good as now though) with a pretty good ground game for his situation.

You seem to think I hate everything that's not the ufc the same way you hate everything and everbody associated with the ufc. That is just not the case. The ufc is simply fur biggest organization and doesn't deserve all the **** it gets, so I defend it. You seem to miss me cheering for other organizations that deserve it, to miss me following up and comers outside the ufc, missing that some of my favorite fighters are outside the idlfc or only recently joined. You simply see me not bashing the UFC with the same level of bitter hatred and blindness on any and every issue; that makes me a shill in your eyes, it's absurd.




The most important thing to take from this is people, including me, wanted Fedor in the ufc because it guarenteed he would not waste huge chunks of his career again; not that we hate other orgs and think they can't do it, but we know the UFC can. I personally wanted to see him fight Lesnar, I think that is the best fight to be made. It 100% is if you want it to be in the US and drug free.

So maybe now you will get why so many people think he should be in the UFC and maybe you will stop your hatred the ufc, everybody involved with it, and anybody who doesn't hate it at least as much as you.

 

I already said this, but the fact that you think annopponent for a guys first fight and a world champions opponent should be held in remotely the same standard just shows how much you hate Brock, nott least of which because he is UFC champ when you thought he never could be. Hell, even him jus associated with the ufc means you have to hate him.

You are right about Sylvia and AA though, Sylvia was coming off a loss but it was to Nog, and he fought well. Fedor had no idea Sylvia would get fat and get a crude brain surgery from Mercer. AA was on a roll; the fact that Rogers steamrolled him can't be held against Fedor. It may take a bit of luster of the wins, but not the matchmaking.

Funny how you give Mir little to no credit for beating a Nog coming off tapping the same Sylvia you give credit to Fedor for fighting. Just saying.

 

the merry go roundhappened because mir almost lost his legin an accident and wasnt recovered yet, randy went back down to light heavy, barnett had to fight in japanland were they dont value sportsmanship and allow steroids, and arlovski was marketable (which was wrong of the ufc). All in all the ufc's h.w. division was down and nobody disputes this. tito couldve probably beaten sylvia. choi wouldve been brocks first mma fight, which made alot more sense than choi fighting the consensus number 1 heavy in the world. And for fedor to be half brocks size he would have to be 130 lbs!!!!

 

Mir also was told he was never going to fight again, fell into depression and drug use after smashing his leg to dust.

Either way, regardless of how consistent he was or wasn't he beat Nog, he beat beat Lesnar, and he looked like his old self finally beating Hardonk.

Mir was more credible going into the second Lesnar fight than Sylvia was going into the Fedor fight, and at a bare minimum at least as credible as AA going into the Fedor fight.

 

Well if I come off that way its because we had a guarantee that those 2 1/2 years would never happen again, that he would always have a top opponent to fight, and M1 wouldn't even let Fedor in the same room as Dana to negotiate a deal that gave us that guarantee. Also we missed out on a great fight with Lesnar; the biggest fight in the HW division today.

What we have now is a lot riskier, hopefully he keeps going in the direction of his past 3 signed fights, but we have no guarantee. We don't know if the promotions he is fighting in will be around, and we don't know if he will be fighting world class fighters like Barnett or sub par fighters like Brett Rogers.

 

Is brett rogers any more sub par than shane carwin or valasquez?

 

Carwin is a beast, id take him to pound out or sub rogers in the first round of a fight easily. He definately wouldnt try and box with him like arlovski did

 

Misses the entire point of that post.
Quite clearly and obviously yes though, he is.

The point is with the UFC Cain or Carwin would have been the worst Fedor would have ever fought, with Strikeforce and M1 nobody knows if he is going to Brett Rogers or Brett the hitman Hart.

 

Well as carwin has had 11 fights and only fought one fairly decent fighter how are we to know, in terms of a challenge he has not had the fights to be taken any more seriosuly than rogers.

 

why who have the two ufc guys beat that outshine who rogers has beat so far ?

 

First and foremost the obvious eyeball / talent test. Cain looks like he could be a champion someday soon and Carwin at least looks like he would throttle Rogers.

Kongo and Gonzaga are both comparable to AA; but its really more about how they looked so far, like they have a game to build on. Rogers looks like he has a punchers chance, but thats it. All I've seen him do is stand and bang with guys who wanted to stand and bang, and the only guys of note he KO'd don't have great chins.

but like I said in my edit of the other post:

Misses the entire point of that post.
Quite clearly and obviously yes though, he is.

The point is with the UFC Cain or Carwin would have been the worst Fedor would have ever fought, with Strikeforce and M1 nobody knows if he is going to Brett Rogers or Brett the hitman Hart.