Despite The Sport Conspiring Against Him, Does Joseph Agbeko Merit A P4P Place?

****s sake ladies, pull it together.

Basically, Agbeko < Darchinyan all things considered. Darch was handing Perez a huge loss and has overall a far better ring record.

 

Well, that got quite a reaction. :yep

 

I hope you aren't planning on doing anything for the next few months then:yep

 

Stealing threads form the General and IB?

Pretty disgusting behavior IMO, you've brought the British Forum down with this debacle.

 

It's not the general I'm worried about, its IB

 

THE RING Advisory Panel and editorial board was in a challenging position after the controversial fight between Joseph Agbeko and Abner Mares on Saturday in Las Vegas.

Agbeko and Mares went into the fight No. 3 and No. 4 respectively in THE RING&#8217;s bantamweight ratings, behind No. 1 Nonito Donaire and No. 2 Anselmo Moreno.

Mares won the fight and the IBF title by a majority decision but not without a boost from referee Russell Mora, who failed to penalize Mares in any way in spite of numerous low blows.

At the same time, the low blows aside, both boxers gave good performances in what would&#8217;ve been a compelling fight if not for Mora.

So how should all of that be reflected in this week&#8217;s RING bantamweight ratings?

The Advisory Panel and editorial board decided to base their decision on the most-concrete element of this mess: the official result.

Thus, Mares and Agbeko change places in the bantamweight ratings, Mares moving up to No. 3 and Agbeko dropping to No. 4, but Mares remained below Moreno.

&#8220;Exactly how to handle the Abner Mares-Joseph Agbeko situation was one of the most difficult ratings decisions we&#8217;ve made recently,&#8221; said Nigel Collins, Editor-in-Chief of THE RING. &#8220;Both the Advisory Panel and the editorial board were unanimous in their condemnation of referee Russell Mora&#8217;s handling of the fight, especially the so-called knockdown in the 11th round. But that was the only thing with which everybody agreed.

&#8220;Advice from the Panel ranged all the way from maintaining the status quo to advancing Mares to the No. 2 position. In the end, after much debate, we decided to recognize the official decision by boosting Mares to No. 3 and dropping Agbeko to No. 4. Moving Mares ahead of second-ranked Anselmo Moreno would have been going too far, considering how close the fight actually was and how detrimental Mora&#8217;s work was to a clear-cut outcome.

&#8220;Bottom line: There was no perfect solution to the circumstances surrounding the final match of Showtime&#8217;s bantamweight tournament. The only fair thing would be an immediate rematch.&#8221;

RING RATINGS UPDATE

Lightweights: Michael Katsidis (No. 4 last week) departs to campaign at junior welterweight. However, Katsidis&#8217; KO of journeyman Michael Lozada (in Katsidis&#8217; first start at 140 pounds) was not significant enough to earn him a rating in his new division. Katsidis&#8217; exit allows all 135-pounders rated No. 5 or below last week to advance one position each and makes room for John Molina to return at No. 10.

Bantamweights: Despite the controversy surrounding referee Russell Mora&#8217;s handling of the fight, Abner Mares (No. 4 last week) and Joseph Agbeko (No. 3 last week) switch places.

 

I don't respect small fighters, if they don't utterly dominate the shite at those weights then they don't get anywhere near.

 

I mentioned the Mijares expresses more as a joke to accentuate the ridiculousness of the trend. Without actually bothering to look, I doubt my Mijares express has even been bumped since your join date so it's quite plausible you've never even seen it. So obviously that wasn't really part of the "accusation".

The accusation stands, though. What I "implied" is true. You know it damn well.

All in all, it's no big deal - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. :yep I was actually pleased to see the Yory Boy one duplicated here, and saw it not so much as you were copying as merely joining the Campas awareness campaign and spreading the word a bit further. :good


This one, though...this is some downright sneaky underhanded ****. Worse, your reaction when caught out is to feign ignorance (even indignance!!)


I mean, come ON dude. You clearly read my thread, and borrowed heavily from it.

I defy anyone with the patience to read this post and not find that a MAJORITY of the content is lifted (nearly verbatim in some passages) from the following posts:

Compare closely with:

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10442128#post10442128

and

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?p=10445895#post10445895


Red handed, j. Don't go out like a shaunster. Just own up to it and move on. I'm not even mad...just a bit baffled - in the first place as to why you would so closely mimic my work (and really, it's several shades beyond just mimicry, innit?) and in the second as to your inexplicable protests of innocence once it's been pointed out.

SINCE you've decided to play it this way and make it out like I'm the ******* here lol:) - you force my hand into further calling you out.

No offense, but it seems doubtful to me you've ever actually seen Agbeko-Sidorenko. Your description of it is essentially a distillation of the bullet points from my RBR - which incidentally had never been posted on ESB (or anywhere online; it had previously been kept in a .txt file on my hard drive) before yesterday. That bout has probably not been mentioned on this board in YEARS, yet within 24 hours of my posting about it you JUST SO HAPPEN to present what amounts to a Cliff Notes version of my breakdown? Come on. Don't insult everybody's intelligence.

If you've actually seen it, answer any one of these:

What color trunks did Agbeko wear? How about Sidorenko? What was King Kong's hairstyle? Who were the commentators?

 

To be fair, IB, a ******ed ****** could answer those questions by opening a new tab on his browser, throwing on youtube, searching the fight and watching 30 seconds of part 1.

Anyway, get a room you two :fight

 

I asked specifically because it ISN'T on Youtube anymore.

 

Suspiciously similar stuff matches up with what is bolded/underscored/color-coded.

In bold is the very crux of my thread. In underscore is a point that is stressed by several people in it.

From my RBR in the thread in question:

"1 - Sid jab vs. Agbeko hook. Good defense and quick combos by Agbeko. Solitary shots, body work by Sid. Left hooks and overhands by Agbeko, dominating.

10-9 Agbeko"


"4 - Agbeko first and last. landing hooks and exchanging jabs with Sid. Good defense by Agbeko. Sid taking heavier punches. (overhands especially)

40-36"

"117-111 Agbeko

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So...yeah. It's already pretty bad.

"Luis Alberto Perez was very highly regarded at the time, as an action hero with a bright future. Boxing columnists and experts saw Agbeko as being grist to the mill. He was considered a somewhat live underdog but his purpose that night was to be "fed" to Perez to give the latter some nice big national TV exposure (as the co-feature to Chad Dawson vs. Epi Mendoza on Showtime) in a showcase.

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Furthermore, Agbeko had fallen off the map after the screw-job in Germany. Here it was autumn of 2007 and he'd only shaken the rust with two piddling Pongsaklek Wonjongkam style "sharpen up" bouts since a layoff dating back to 2004. Meanwhile Perez was coming off an excellent string of victories - five world title bouts in two different weight classes. They were all good names, too (Garcia; Kirilov, although a controversial decision he did knock Dimitri down for the first time as a pro and landed a lot of leather on the former amateur standout; still-dangerous Monster Bolano before his complete denigration into a tomato can; and Machado x2 after Macho was fresh off a very respectable title run of his own). It was a back and forth war that ended up very much outshining Dawson vs. Mendoza, but there was no doubt in any round that the sterner violence was being issued by the Ghanaian in just his second business trip across the Atlantic. By the time a game but embattled and badly damaged Perez had the matter conceded on his behalf by the ringside physician, the challenger had already notched enough rounds on his belt (all seven; the requisite majority in a 12-round contest) to wrest the title away. "




...Also, you didn't read your source material (ie: my post) carefully enough. PEREZ DID NOT QUIT ON HIS STOOL. It was a doctor stoppage. :hi:

"His first defense against Gonzalez was no soft touch, nor was it even a step down from Perez. Agbeko was the real deal, having beaten Perez - but he still wasn't seen as a sure thing over the second consecutive Nicaraguan warrior in his path. This was very much a pick'em affair. In another very good melee, Agbeko reasserted dominion over his prized new property and actually came through the unfamiliar adversity of getting outfought in a few rounds to establish himself as Gonzalez's slight but decisive superior. King Kong had officially arrived with this statement making result. For some reason this was the fight where the whispers grew into real buzz. (Odd since you'd think Showtime would have had higher viewership than Versus, which never really caught fire in the boxing market)."

 

It got taken down then? I've noticed that's been happening to a fair few fights nowadays.

 

Part II...

"Now, Darchinyan. Oh, where to begin with Darchinyan? This was after Darchinyan had been "exposed" by Donaire - but he was back on top after a tenacious and deleterious climb over the broken bodies of all in his way. Since walking into that now-infamous counter, he had worked his way back up the rankings and the estimation of the boxing fraternity with five wins and a draw (which many felt ought to have itself been a win). Darchinyan was again pugilistic royalty. He was still perceived as a force of nature, who had just run into a terrible style match-up against a rising star - but was still a deadly proposition for just about anyone else in the world at or near his weight. Who was Joseph Agbeko? He was some newly crowned titlist who'd just come through an entertaining slug-fest in impressive fashion against Gonzalez, but to most that didn't even come close to suggesting he'd have a prayer against the Raging Bull. Actual sentiments expressed right here on ESB at the time: "He's too hittable". "He's never faced anyone half as good as Vic". "He's too raw. He's the brawler/puncher in this match-up" "He only has a slim puncher's chance" etc. A select few who'd been particularly wowed by the Gonzalez performance (and the smaller contingent who remembered him upsetting Perez, and a marginal fringe who knew the real score in his violation years earlier against Sidorenko) went against the grain and picked Agbeko to pound down the smaller man moving up - but they almost all thought he had to win by KO, and they were unilaterally laughed at.


On the night, Agbeko took the Aussie-Armenian's heart and swallowed it whole. It was close on points (thanks in part to a bogus knockdown, which would soon become a recurring career motif...) but Agbeko dragged Darchinyan to the pits of hell. In some ways, this was a worse loss than the mercifully quick one to Donaire. Darchinyan got hit more than he ever had, by anyone - and harder, by a big strong and highly motivated kid from Accra who knew this was his one chance to really break through as an international star and accomplish more in the sport than being yet another disciple of Professor Nelson and celebrated figure back home. "

"Now, you'd think Agbeko would have finally garnered some respect and been heavily favored over the next contender...right? Nope. Yonnhy Perez was a sensation, undefeated and boasting what some were prohibitively hailing as the best chin in the game. He was coming off his best win to date - over the the very solid Silence Mabuza (who put up two spirited efforts against Rafael Marquez and had some minor success in them despite ultimately succumbing to the primed athletic freak). He was poised to really blow up on the scene, and taking Agbeko's title was supposed to be his coming out party for the American and global audience.

In a vicious, often dirty, and perpetually thrilling FOTY candidate - he wound up doing just exactly that. In the process, he had to rely heavily on that unreal chin as Agbeko got in licks aplenty. Perez actually scored a disputed knockdown with that splinter-proof skull, and many observers felt the final score ought to have been close enough for it to be a factor. It wasn't. The judges all had it a bit wide (uncomfortably so, by common assent) and the climb of King Kong seemed to have reached its Empire State needle."

"Fortunately, Showtime decided to throw together a little tournament. They invited the three-time alumnus to participate, along with a few of the other best bantamweights from around the world (two of whom he knew quite well). "

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Obviously it goes without saying that the new IBF king was favored to repeat his success in the rematch, which headlined the inaugural tournament card. Once again, Agbeko was written off as "good, but not good enough". Nobody was prepared for what was to come.

It was night and day. Their first meeting had been to and fro, push and pull all the way. This was NOTHING like that. Agbeko boxed his ears off. It was an absolute CLINIC. Agbeko looked like Muhammad Ali, and Perez like Tony Galento. It was ridiculous.

That brings us full circle to last night, which currently has plenty of threads devoted to contentious debate. The bottom line: if you strip away all the points and just go by rounds won, Agbeko was up at least 6 to 4 on any fair scorecard heading into the championship stretch. Throw the knockdowns out the window (and don't even bother adding in what ought to have been multiple point deductions from Mares) - and Agbeko had already defended his title with no worse than a draw 5/6 of the way through.

I say, FFS have an original thought!