Detailed sources on modern heavyweights' training or nutritional regimens?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    A time traveling Lasha Talakhadze, no doubt.
     
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    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Joking aside, I find it a bit difficult to believe there was an early 20th century boxer who was even regularly deadlifting 500 pound dumbbells (plural?!).

    Anthony Joshua is a massive man, very athletic, and lives in an era that emphasizes weight training. And knows a good sight more about it than boxers did in 1900. He's deadlifting (for reps, admittedly) around 440 pounds, per the BBC. And squatting around 418. If AJ isn't "playing around with 500 pound dumbbells," I'm skeptical that a boxer from the Edwardian period could do it.

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  3. Entaowed

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    Pretty good, except he should have reversed having almost no complex carbs/whole grains & most all carbs refined.
     
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    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I am surprised he only ate three meals a day.
    Unless he also had protein shakes, which is very possible, because unless he had pretty large quantities of these foods it is hard to see him getting to those many calories daily on it.

    The diet is also low in fat, not necesarily the best for being anabolic & keep testosterone levels up (assuming you are clean), & Spinks famously put on significant muscle to fight Holmes.
     
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    Not bad food choices for a very active pretty large athlete.
    Except all the protein should be divided into more meals.
    Which also helps with energy levels & getting other nutrients effectively.
    Nobody is gonna be able to absorb near 3 pounds of protein from quality meat at once.

    And corn bread & toast are starches.
     
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    Great description & information thanks Pat!
    However they are wrong that not many pushed Tyson back-even at his peak, either guys were able to do it, or Tyson allowed it-just like & related to his "silent agreement" to take a break in the clinches.
     
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    Is that a typo? Who even ever made a 500 lbs. dumbbell?
    if he could move them like child's play, then for example he could strict curl them for sets

    Which if an example of what he could do, would make him the strongest man ever, far more than the biggest Steroid Monster-by many times over, essentially an order of magnitude.
    That is a joke.
     
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    If it is TWO dumbells as you would expect, nobody even broke 1000 lbs. on the barbell DL until 2006, & that was with a deadlift suit, belt-& since there is no testing nor illegality for PEDs there, almost certainly them too-which makes a big difference.

    No way was anyone approaching this weight then.
    Maybe it was possible but very unlikely if 2 hands were used in the middle of one for a sumo style lift.
    If so, certainly if the guy is doing a full set, he would be bigger than JJ ever was.
    And who ever even manufactured such a single weight?
     
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  9. Journeyman92

    Journeyman92 Mr Gadfly Full Member

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    Yeah it’s nonsense. And yeah it was implying “dumbbells” opposed to a single one. The guy looks like your average labourer in build. I use old school bodybuilders as the measure for feats, if they noticeably exceed them in build or strength well somethings up.Pre 1930s strongman guys only.
     
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  10. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali did do sprints in his training before Foreman. A bit at least. It's in Mailer's The Fight. They take a run together and Ali sprints the last part.
     
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  11. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah, that never made sense to me. 4 500 calories doesn't seem much for someone putting on that much weight while still having to do conditioning.
     
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    Sure, but that is a good separate concern.
    It may be too low, but it is around a plausible amount if he was not highly active overall, & is not strongman size.

    What I was saying is the diet given seems unlikely to even reach that number of calories.
    Certainly with average sized portions.
    So weight gain or protein or related shakes may have played a part.

    3 meals a day is not ideal for someone that active & trying to build muscle.
    They would not have known that at mid-century, but by the 1980's, when working with a nutritionist, they sure should have!
     
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    there is no 500 pound dumbells
    I been in weight gym & strongman gym all over world & never seen it.

    200KG deadlift of AJ with reps. for man this size with training this not much. AJ is not emphasis on weight training
     
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    it must be typo
    50 pounds yes
     
  15. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, it isn't much really. He must do plenty of reps with it. Maybe jumps. If he's going for maximum strength you'd expect someone of AJ's build to do more than 250 kg. He should be able to do some reps with 300 kg, or at least close to it, with a hexbar.
     
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