Determining the quality of Froch's resume so far(only championship fights included)

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  1. DanishFightfan

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    I am going to give my personal rating on Froch's resume..
    First i am going to break down the quality of the fighter that he beat, then i am going to break down how good the performance was, also taking hometurf advantage and judging into perspective. But remember, a W is a W.

    All performances/fighters will get grades:
    A+(World class), A(elite), A-(Borderline elite), B+(Excellent), B(Very good), B-(good), C+(Average), C(medicore) C-(Bad) etc.

    Jean Pascal (B)
    He is definitely better at 175, has not really done much at 168 (his best wins are probably being Ike and Cam), but anyone who can go 22-1 in a division is no joke, even though he did struggle with some of the journeymen he faced.
    Performance (B+)
    A bit generous? maybe, but i think that Froch looked very solid, outboxed (out slugged) Pascal for the most part, showed that he had great heart, punch resistance and could keep control under pressure.. IMO you can't rate it any higher than B+, he did after all have the environment in his favor and didn't really put on any clinic.

    Jermain Taylor (B+)
    .. Taylor wasn't a bad foe at all, some people are trying to claim that he was shot, i strongly disagree.. Boxing fans writes fighters off too fast, and never hesitates to call them done or shot.. Taylor was a former undisputed champion, had just had a dominate performance (Lacy was not really a world beater at that point though, but it was still a decent win), his only losses was two very competetive fights against Pavlik, who at that point looked like a future star.. And Taylor himself proved that he still had something left, when he was up on the cards after 11 rounds.
    Performance (B)
    I think rating this performance is a bit tricky, it depends on what kind of fan you are.. Was it good because he managed to comeback after being outboxed for the majority of the fight? Or was it bad because he didn't manage to respond earlier? Carl Froch did prove that he had plenty of heart, when he came back to stop Taylor late, he also once again proved his toughness and iron will, he never quit and didn't back down because he was on the edge of losing in a hostile enviroment.. All in all he refused to lose and proved that he had "it" or "x-factor" or whatever you call it..

    Andre Dirrell (A-)
    Many may disagree.. But Dirrell is an athletic, fast and akward fighter, who is not a walk over for anyone in the 168 division.. Dirrell did have/has some flaws, mostly mentally. But his athleticism and speed makes him a dangerous foe..
    Performance (C)
    This is were it gets shaky. Froch didn't land many clean punches and you could make an argument that he actually didn't win the fight. Some people claim it's a robbery, i disagree, i did have Dirrell winning both times i scored the fight, but when you get a somewhat close and messy fight like this, then you should expect that the belt holder with hometown advantage should get the nod.

    Arthur Abraham (B-)
    Abraham is not as bad as some are making him out to be, but he really isn't competetive at the top level @168, i doubt that he will beat any of the top 10 guys in the division, but i think that he could beat some lesser fighters in the SMW division, and i will give Abraham the benefit of doubt, since he has a decent resume @160.
    Performance (A)
    Froch really looked impressive out gunning and out smarting Abraham, but as mentioned, Abraham is really not worthy at the top level @168, but Froch did beat him in more impressive fashion than Dirrell and Ward. Ward gave up some early rounds and Dirrell got hit by a foul, which putted an early stopage to the fight, to give him the win. And neither Ward or Dirrell was able to crack Abraham's shell like Froch did.

    Glen Johnsnon (B+)
    The road warrior posses a challenge for almost everyone, he is a tough, experienced and physical opponent, he did gas and you could indeed see that he isn't a prime conditioned athlete in his 20's, but he has punching power, toughness and still a little pop.. He is not an elite guy, but he has the ability to make any fight competetive..
    Performance (C+)
    It was a general sloppy performance, Johnson was able to hit Froch at will sometimes in the fight, Froch's defense really looked medicore that night, after this fight, i was almost sure that Ward would beat Froch.. Froch wasn't well prepared for Johnson's pressure style and took a good amount of punches and lost a portion of the rounds.. If Johnson was younger, faster and didn't start to gas late in the fight, then i think he would have beaten Froch.. But that being said, Froch did beat a live opponent on the road, and should get credit for that.

    Lucian Bute (A-)
    I saw Bute as an elite SMW as many did, the performance in Nottingham didn't look good for sure.. But that shouldn't erase all the fine performances Bute has laid down during his career against decent comp. Bute is a big SMW with a punch, he has speed, accuracy and a nice arsenal of offense.. He has a decent defense (didn't look so good against Froch), he can move and he can counter very well.. Overall a very good boxer with nice skills and superb athletic ability
    Performance (A)
    Excellent fight by the Cobra, he did what i wanted him to do: Put the pressure on from the start.. Froch dragged Bute into a neighborhood where wasn't used to be, and beat the living **** out of him.. Nuff said..

    This is my breakdown of Froch's resume, post your own opinions below if you feel like.:

    Overall resume rating: B+(excellent)
    Overall performance rating: B(very good)
     
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    You can make a case for that.. But i just think that Dirrell and Taylor is more than that, and Abraham is a bit too limited to call him a solid B level fighter.
     
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    Personally Taylor at Super Middleweight was IMO just a B and no better, he was on the wane, still talented but not any better than B imo. Dirrell was unproven and still is in some ways.
     
  5. KO KIDD

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    i like this concept try a thread with Ward and Bute
     
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    I think he is a bit more than that.. He was still a skilled fighter with good speed, despite being past his best.. Dirrell's talent alone makes him more than a B level fighter IMO..
     
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    With out a doubt Taylor was talented but he wasn't a known quantity at 168, he had been stopped just a few fights earlier and whilst the fight was one of the best of the year there is enough down marks to take some gloss off.

    Dirrell's talent is there but he's got to beat an elite fighter and prove he's got it all. He showed against Abraham that he was very good (Abe is another unproven fighter at 168) though one who...has left question marks.
     
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    Thank you very much mate.. I will see to it next year :yep
     
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    Remember that the only losses Taylor had at that point was against Pavlik, he faced alot of adversity against Taylor, Taylor also came of a good performance against Lacy, so his confidence was probably there too
     
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    Yeah...and we now know Pavlik was an alcoholic and EVERYONE know Lacy was so mentally raped by Calzaghe that even Manfreddo beat him...
     
  11. iceman71

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    its better than anyone else
     
  12. Jared

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    Glen Johnson and Jermaine Taylor better than Pascal? Come on.

    You've also underrated Abraham. He was better than a few names on your list
     
  13. DanishFightfan

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    Did Pavlik have booze problems back then too? :think..
    Well, the win over Lacy was by no means "good", it was decent.. Do you really believe that Manfreddo beat him? I haven't watched the fight..
     
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