Development of fisticuffs in Russia

Well I'm not a historian, just another fan.As I said Pollack is the guy to read on the subject of Johnson.

 

Its spread all over the two volumes mate,you might find some of it in my early posts.
BTW I have Bells Boxiana that has quite a lot about the bareknuckle era in it.

 

https://books.google.com/books?id=F...IbjAO#v=onepage&q=bill gretting boxer&f=false

For those interested Boxiana up for free online.

 

Gustyn chronicle is dated in early 1600s, not 990 as the article says. As wiki says about it, the early part of the chronicle is noted for mistakes and distortions.
Nestor's list is dated 1550-1560, not 1069.

"The Sotskys and the Counts" "The names of the Sotskys and the Tithes"
Sotskiy = Hundreth (as in the leader of a group of a hundred of people), counts/tithes=tenth (leader of a group of ten people).

I have no idea who the author of the book (the link is giving the contents of) is. Bibliography ( http://www.libma.ru/sport/sovremennyi_boks/p10.php ) doesn't list any serious historical sources, only books on sports in general and boxing in particular.

 

No. I'm just saying this particular book (the link is leading to) is not a source I'd reference if I were writing on the subject. I'd have gone for the original sources listed in bibliography, see their bibliography lists, maybe they have better references (to original historical manuscripts or to books/articles written by historians).

 

Please name the promoter of this supposed fight , the terms of it, and the source for your information.

 

Johnson who pulled out of a signed contract to meet Sam Langford in the UK ( 1909 ), did not want to risk his title.

It takes two parties to make a boxing match. Johnson preferred easier marks, such as Jim Battling Johnson, whom he drew in Paris 1913.

Something tells me Jack Johnson made a lot less in the Jim Battling Johnson fight in comparison to the offers to meet Langford, Jeanette or McVey.

Johnson loved money, so why not make some vs. Langford, McVey, or Jeannette?

 

Johnson was not champion when he signed to fight Langford and when he became champion it became a different ball-game ,one in which he didn't want to defend his title for a derisory sum of £3000! I have many times provided proof that Johnson signed to fight Jeannette x2 ,New York ,Langford and McVey, Australia, verified in Pollack's biography of Johnson.I also showed what the terms were and why the fights did not happen I have also shown that Joe Woodman ,Langford's manager could not come up with the necessary cash bond after both he and Johnson had made an agreement to fight in the US this is verifies in Clay Moyle's biography of Langford.

You on the other hand have produced nothing ,despite repeated requests by me for you to provide primary sourced details of $30,000 offers for Johnson to defend his title against Jeannette,Langford ,McVey , anywhere in the world that he declined. So," Mr Blocked Toilet" keep making your hate posts, nobody gives them any credence.
Perhaps we might now return to the thread and say good bye to your hate posts?

 

STOP THE BS. With you its the same &ht, different toilet. You spin fools no one.

Johnson was the lineal champion in 1909; he pulled out of a signed deal to meet Langford. If you sign a contract, your obligated to do so. Johnson simply kept pushing the amount up. He wasn't serious about taking any of these fights.

Bottom line: Johnson did not honor the deal, no fight was final with Johnson, even when he signed for it until he entered the ring. His manager called Johnson out on a topic like this.

Now if you have the purse amount for Johnson's dubious draw vs. Jim Battling Johnson, post it here. My hunch is the amount isn't one if his best. As you know the French booed Johnson's effort and tried to strip away his title.

 

Listen stupid, Johnson signed to fight Langford in November 1908 before he became champion.
Johnson signed to fight both Langford,and McVey in Australia ,and the promoter pulled out of the deal.There is simply no way you can get around that fact!

Once again you have it ass about face. The French tried to strip Johnson before he defended against Battling Jim,the Langford v Jeannette fight for the French recognized version of the title took place the day after the Johnson v Johnson defence,and the public booed the Johnson fight because of the lack of action after the early rounds ,which was entirely understandable given that Johnson had fractured his radius bone in the 3rd round.
ps. A couple of months later the French stripped Langford of his phoney title and once against recognized Johnson as the true champion.
Now would you like to explain how your deranged hate Johnson posts have any connection with the development of boxing in Russia you sad,sorry fool!