Devin Haney: "I've Never Been Overmatched Like That Before"

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  1. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    The official judges did as did others knowledgeable about the game.
     
  2. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Exactly the official judges were crooks
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Could be, Brother Olu, but that still won't change the fact that his chin is going to get shattered again when he faces prime punchers closer to his size and if he moves up to 147 to face opponents his own size or even closer to it he's in a world of trouble because his reach advantage will be less pronounced as well or he won't have one.

    He's forged a career off feasting on well past prime or shot OAP leprechauns, has never beaten anyone close to his size, and he was even a lot heavier than the two extremely favourable stylistic match up prime or near prime opponents he fought - he was 9lbs heavier than career 140 Rougarou who is a big 140 and that was his 140 debut

    Even if Ryan is guilty of taking PEDs he was partying and drinking throughout camp and numerous times the week of the fight and it was plain to see he wasn't in the best of shape and hadn't taken training near as seriously as he should of so how much would they actually have helped? I'm not too clued up on how much of an advantage something like ostarine would've given him taking it so close to the fight after having passed all his other tests prior to then other than to maybe help him get down in weight.
     
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  4. Darni187

    Darni187 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Haney been a fraud from day ... Being a weight bully Vs smaller past their prime guys , (Loma fight nearly back fired lol) and as soon as he fought a guy his own size and age .. bang well you know the rest lol I been telling y'all before.. only was matter of time ..
     
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  5. Serge

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    I've never seen a poll for a fight 0.1 this size. It ended up at 118k in total. That's insane

    And then factor in Haney had a 20lb weight advantage, a six inch reach advantage or slightly under, at least a 36 hour weigh in for a fight between the biggest 135 I've ever seen and the smallest one in the division, a huge youth advantage, and in Haney's backyard with a home ref and three home judges which only happens in one country in the world for world title fights between a home country and a foreign fighter and ever so surprisingly these home country judges are absolutely notorious for robbing foreigners over there on what feels like an almost weekly basis.

    All the officials for Kambosos vs Haney I and II over in Australia came from neutral countries because we (as in the rest of the world) don't do that home ref and three home judges thing for world title fights between a home and away fighter, let alone undisputed ones, but it's almost the norm in the US.

    Hell, we don't even do it for European title fights over here. The ref and judges will either be neutral or a mix of neutral and home and away

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  6. steviebruno

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    You do realize that an ESB message board doesn't represent 'a sizeable portion of boxing fans', right?
     
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  7. African Cobra

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    The fact you disagree with the decision does not make the judges crooks. Loma lost live with it same way he lost to Teo. Great fighters have lost except for Floyd and Marciano. No need to live with bitterness in your heart.
     
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  8. African Cobra

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    Very true.
     
  9. ellerbe

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    What did you score it Olu? I thought loma edged it 7-5 but it was closer than people make it out to be.
     
  10. African Cobra

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    My view is simple athletes especially boxers should not dabble with performance enhancing drugs. Fighters have died in the ring. Even a fighter close to me lost his life so I cannot tolerate illegal doping. I agree Garcia was not in his best possible shape and to me Haney fought a stupid fight and fight plan devised by Bill Haney. Chins vary. Not everyone has a Muhammad Ali, Floyd, Marciano and Hagler chin, however as you know I come from the school where fighters should exercise defensive responsibility. I was watching Tank vs Garcia again yesterday and what was impressive is Tank’s complete game. While he has a great chin he is defensive responsible and does not give his opponents free shots. Haney is not as good as he and others think he is. He is good but I had seen chinks in his armour. The result did not surprise me overly but I am very disappointed by Garcia not making weight , in fact he did not even try and worse failure the drugs tests for banned substances. No Sir I am not having it. I was even happy for him and my man Derrick James after the fight but now he is tainted.
     
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  11. African Cobra

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    I had it 7-5 to Haney. The funny thing on this forum is people don’t even realise I quite like Loma but I know he was not infallible. I gave Rigo a chance against him but he was too big for him but I definitely knew Teo would win because his power would intimidate Loma. I would not have quibbled with a narrow Loma win either like you had it but I struggle with the Lomasexuals claiming robbery. I have to give my good brother @Serge credit because he makes some good points about Loma being naturally smaller than the Lightweights etc however he chose to compete at the higher weights whereby history shows however good or great you are ultimately someone will get you unless you are Floyd who realised he could not go to 160 pounds.
     
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  12. African Cobra

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    Can you remind me your score for the fight and how close did you have it. If neutral judges were needed where did Loma not push for this. Haney got credit for going to;Australia twice.
     
  13. ellerbe

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    7-5 Haney would be hard for me to score. I might have to re watch it. Thought best case was draw for Haney, or 8-4 Loma. Haney did do good bodywork tho.
     
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    I think most of us, or I would like to think we do, feel that way Olu and if Ryan did knowingly take PEDs to get an unfair advantage he should be punished accordingly.

    But 1. My gut feeling is he's innocent and that it doesn't make any sense at all to take ostrich on those dates when he knew he was going to be tested after having passed all his previous tests the weeks/months leading up to the fight.

    2. What advantage would ostrich actually have given him when he allegedly took it other than maybe help him get down lower in weight? From the little I know about it it wouldn't have had any performance enhancing effects taking it when he allegedly did and even if it would of, as said, he clearly wasn't in the best of shape, hadn't taken training near as seriously as any serious professional athlete should of, and he was seen out drinking and partying numerous times during fight week so I don't see how there could've been any performance enhancing benefits to taking ostrich then

    3. Also the brazen corruption I saw on full display during the fight when the corrupt as sin ref did everything within his power to save Haney from a KO loss which he undoubtedly did

    Allowing Haney to hold to an absolutely insane degree all night without deducting a single point or giving him a hard warning for it

    And deducting a point from Ryan for hitting Haney on the break which was only done out of frustration to Haney holding onto him like a lonely gay octopus and refusing to let go, and this was after him holding like crazy plenty before that too

    All of which leads me to suspect that someone behind closed doors had put the ref up to that and how that this ever so convenient positive test might have something to do with that certain someone or shady forces behind the scenes. We can't just pretend like we didn't witness all that brazen corruption during the fight.

    4. When Ryan protested his innocence my intuition and inbuilt lie detector told me he was actually telling the truth. I just got that impression and if I didn't I wouldn't lie and say I did

    Even that undertrained, partying, drinking, weed smoking version of Ryan would've 100% KO'd Haney had the ref not been doing his best to save Haney's ass so regardless of the game plan Haney employed I just don't see how he can survive the distance against a better prepared Ryan whose gas tanks are full not half full. Haney just can't take that power and let's not forget that they were 3-3 versus each other prior to that fight in a format that heavily favoured Haney.

    Twink has elite skills and power, a good chin and defence, has actually fought quite a few punchers: Ryan, Cruz, Rolly, and even Barrios, and he's not a weight bully

    Re. Ryan missing weight, as with PED cheats, we have to hold everyone who misses weight or who popped dirty to the same standard. Floyd missed weight against JMM, Salido who is also a PED cheat btw, did the same against Loma and in addition to that fouled Loma like crazy all night and unlike with Ryan and Haney, was way heavier than Loma

    And modern North American greats like Roy, Toney, Clenelo, Holyfield, Morales to name but a few are PED cheats so if Ryan is a scumbag PED cheat then so are they and at least one of those will be the boxing idols or favourites of those who are voicing their outrage and disgust at Ryan.
     
  15. Serge

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    8-4 was about right

    Many will miss some of the subtleties of Loma's slickness and sublime defence. Punches you think landed didn't or thought landed clean didn't.

    Watch. Loma clearly won and the vast majority of fans and observers across the world concur with that and they didn't need AI to know that.

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