Devin Miles Haney vs. Ryan García Quesada & Arnold Barboza, Jr. vs. Seán McComb RBR

How the hell is it not the same? Both came in over weight limit. Both did not bother to try to re weight.

 

Credit to Haney for keeping the ppv alive and fighting at a disadvantage. Dude missed weight by 3.2 lbs and talks sh** to the fans. Only in boxing can you miss weight and still be aloud to compete in the same weight division, others would be disqualified or be forced to compete in the next weight division with the big boys. Haney wont be fooled again.

 

You are arguing my point.

You are preaching to the choir.

We are in agreement on this point.

 

Oh I agree with you. Just trying to tell you , You are trying to debate logic with a Floyd fanatic on how when Floyd does it , it is OK.

 

Cheating implies trying to hide an action. Garcia not only didn't hide the fact he was 3 pounds over the contracted weight...how could he anyway since he knew he was going on a scale....but literally PAID for it with cash and losing the opportunity to win a title.

And Haney didn't cheat as there was no rehydration clause so he could have gained 50 pounds if he could have done so.

Your assertions make no sense, and are factually incorrect.

 

This was the comment I made on the comparison:

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Olu G. Rotimi said: [url]↑[/url]
Floyd did not wait till the weigh in, he realised fight week and told Marquez team immediately so they came to an agreement and accomodation and importantly Marquez did not have to strain to make weight like Haney. Team Haney were amateurish on this. “


Basically Garcia got away with a cynical ploy going to the weigh in when he did not even try to make the weight.

 

Your post is so ingenious. This was a scheduled for contracted world title fight. The rules mandate you come in within the 140!pounds limit at the weigh in the day before the fight. Garcia did not while Haney did so he made the sacrifice and was compromised whereas Garcia did not and worse he did not even try! Cheating is not following the rules . Haney could have called the fight off or insisted Garcia made the weight. His team foolishly did not.

 

Once again you are full of Floyd crap.

“Keith Kizer, Nevada Athletic Commission executive director, said both camps became aware Friday morning that Mayweather would not make the agreed-upon weight, a notification which struck many as curious.”

The penalty was already in the contract. There was no come to an agreement.

 

Garcia was trolling Haney. Kind of insulting to be honest. To show up to the weigh in and drink a beer. Among other things.

Have to admit though, I can admire a quality troll job. Garcia put on a trolling masterclass.

 

That does not alter the fact the two situations are indeed the same.
Any difference is in degree rather than kind.

If Bob gives his wife a slap on average once a month, and Bill gives his Missus the same kind of slap once a week, both Bill and Bob are wife-beaters.

You can argue about which situation is more egregious, but both men are the same thing...wife-beaters.

Both Floyd and Ryan did they same thing, and both opponents agreed to carry on.

One of the opponents had longer than the other to make the decision, but that hardly mattered.

Both were very likely to continue with the fight anyway.

While true, that is not germane to the issue of whether or not both men, in your words...cheated.



In fact, if anything, the fact that Floyd was dragging Marquez up so far from his usual weight that Marquez didn't need to worry about making weight, makes Floyd's missing weight look even worse.

JMM spent his first dozen years as a pro at feather weight (126).

Before he faced Floyd, of his fifty or so fights, only two were at 130, and only one at 135. The man was in his third weight division in two years, He had boxed at feather weight from he was twenty till he was thirty five.

And Floyd wanted him to move up again at age thirty six, and fight at 140.

And JMM, for the big purse, agreed.

And then, the bigger man (who had been a 154 lb champion) forced the fight at two pounds above even the 140..



As I explained above, both Floyd and Ryan did the same thing.

As to which was more egregious, IMO, given the circumstance, Floyd's missing weight was worse.

 

Here's how I scored it live. I don't claim this to be a perfect score or anything, but this is how I saw it.

Ryan Devin
10 9
9 10
9 10
9 10
9 10
10 9
9-7 (additional points due to level of dominance)
9 10 (close)
9 10 (close)
10-7 (additional points due to level of dominance)
10-8
10-9

113 - 109 Ryan

I thought Round 7 was so one-sided that even though there was only 1 official knockdown, and despite the point deduction (which I had no problem with btw) I thought Ryan deserved an extra point (besides just winning the round + the knockdown point) especially considering there were two additional possible knockdowns that were not ruled as such. I could see why both of those were ruled not to be knockdowns, as yes a punch landed each time, but Devin did manage to successful clinch and hang on before eventually falling. They definitely could have been ruled a knockdown, but I see those as very borderline and was OK with then not being ruled as such.

Similarly with Round 10, which was very one-sided and once again Devin was clinching and hanging on several times in addition to a knockdown. While you could certainly argue that 10-7 is generous to Ryan, I justify it by how dominate the round was and the fact that I gave the two rounds in between (8 and 9) to Devin which were both close.

I did not consider Round 11 to be as one-sided as either Round 7 or 10, so I didn't think he deserved a (second) additional point there. I'm going from memory here from watching it live. I haven't reviewed the match yet, and if I have to correct any of this I sure will.

I did think Ryan clearly won round 6 and round 12. Relatively close rounds compared to some of the other rounds, but I still preferred the work from Ryan. And while some might be put off by Ryan's showboating towards the end of the 12th, he did better work than Devin throughout the round and even towards the end while showboating did land some jabs on Haney.

I thought there was a chance Haney would have come out in the 12th just jabbing Ryan's head off, but I don't think he had the energy to do that. Ryan took advance.

This fight really exceeded my expectations. It was a fantastic fight and despite missing weight, Ryan really impressed. And what made it so epic is was that after the first round, it seemed that Haney was in full control from rounds 2-5, and even when Ryan won round 6, there didn't seem to be any inidcation that he was about to take over the fight. Then Round 7 happened, one of the craziest rounds in a long time.

I have a lot more to say about this but I'll leave it at that for now.

 

You just are a Floyd hater so no point discussing this with you.

 

I get where you're coming from, but IMHO it depends how you're using language.

If you define cheating as "unsportsmanlike behaviour to gain advantage", which I think colloquially is how most would (even if they don't articulate it) then they both did, in my eyes.

If you define cheating as breaking the rules to gain advantage then only Garcia did...

IMHO the latter definition becomes farcical when the advantage gained is less than the advantage that can be gained by extreme contortion of the rules, which IMHO is the case here with such extreme cutting to make weight approx 25lbs below fighting weight.

In most walks of life, finding ways to get around the rules by tricking the testing methods is something that becomes a major scandal once exposed - something like the VW emissions scandal is an example of this.

However you want to dress it up, Haney's not an innocent athlete competing fairly within the spirit of the rules, and that makes it hard to feel sorry for him that Garcia missed weight - even if you do believe Garcia gained more advantage over Haney than Haney does over most of his opponents (I think that's a massive stretch, but to each their own).

 

The same dumbo homeboys who shrugged their shoulders at Mayweather doing this to Marquez are now RIGHTEOUS about Garcia pounding out Haney like a nail

both Mayweather and Garcia paid big money to the opponent for missing wait …. Both Marquez and Haney excepted the money and the show went on. They both got embarrassed .

it’s a economic decision. Take your purse + the penalty …or take nothing and tell the cheat to kick rocks

haney needs to go back to feasting on featherweights