Devin Miles Haney vs. Ryan García Quesada & Arnold Barboza, Jr. vs. Seán McComb RBR

I didn't see that. I thought Haney was enough boxer to negate Garcia's speed. Make Garcia sheepish to throw punches from hitting air.

I overrated Haney and underrated Garcia.

 

Yeah Linares was not really in his prime vs Haney still had a bit of pop but that fight imo gave me confidence that Garcia could have some moments here. Garcia is fresher, bigger and a bit more explosive than that version of Linares. I half expected him to have a meltdown here but I still thought he was going to have some moments. I genuinely think he was under the influence a month or two ago as well.

I don't know how people believed Haney was in Mayweather's league, when Mayweather boxed fighters Linares, Kambosis level at LW he comprehensively and throughly shut them out if not stopped them. Haney's been dropping rounds and getting rocked vs fighters of this level.

 

WTF, Olu ???

I don't know which part is more shocking.

But I'll give its a try.

1. In light of our previous very civil conversations on a number of topics, your tone is disappointing.
2. I am certainly not a Floyd hater. I rank him at his prime as the best of his of his era at any weight.
3. For an erudite poster such as yourself to completely ignore any of the points made, is very surprising.


From just a few hours ago:
https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...liked-chick-fil-a.719669/page-3#post-22832094

 

I don't use that definition, so therein probably lies our difference on the matter.

I use the word cheating (in sports) to mean : engaged in a breaching a rule of the sport.

Haney did not cheat in any way , shape or form.

Garcia, it could be argued, came in over the limit because he could not make the weight.
Had Haney declined the fight, Garcia would have been in breach of contract which is not the same as cheating. Presumably, he would have paid whatever penalty that was stipulated in the contract, as remedy to Haney.

However, Haney agreed to fight even with Garcia's extra weight.

Thus again, no cheating.

 

Probably, yes.

I think in a sporting sense that's the better definition, but to each their own!

I would call that rulebreaking or fouling (depending on context) and either cynical or unprofessional (again depending on context).

I would also note that this definition makes mention of whether that breach of the rules conferred an advantage - the idea of cheating without gaining advantage seems an odd definition, to me.

But then add that back in, and then we look whether Ryan gained an advantage from it... And then it depends how you're looking at it: compared to himself with the extra cut -vs- how much over the weight category he was in the ring compared to Haney on the night.


Definitely an interesting discussion to be had around this occurrence, given the context surrounding it.

 

I don't even know where to start with this fight.

- Ryans conditioning was horrendous. After he hurt Haney he had to take a round and a half off. Ryan confirmed this in the post fight interview.

- Ref way too involved once Devin got hurt. How was Haney not warned for holding at a minimum?

- Fighters need to be aware of Ryan turtling up and target his body/ribcage.

- Ryan came to destroy Haney and clearly didn't respect the danger he presented based on their amateur fights.

Respect to Ryan for making big fights. He took no damage let's see him back in the ring soon.

 

Honestly...

It's just the norm, unfortunately.

Very few refs do anything about it - look how long it took for the Okoliepus to get pulled up for it, or how long Fury's been doing it and still hasn't been.

Then look at other fouls like, for example, rabbit punching and low blows - way more instances of both go unpunished than get acknowledged.

Like it or not, permissiveness is generally how it goes.

 

Good point.

Holding is one thing but how some fighters get away with rabbit punching (especially in the clinch with both fighters squared up) is beyond me considering how dangerous it is.

 

Bill Haney is a TERRIBLE trainer.

 

Sorry I apologise for my harsh words but I really think what Garcia did is much worse.When I managed fighters I have seen this type of tricks before and it’s not good. I had 140 pounds world class fighter who was on weight then a few days before a Commonwealth world title fight the opponent pulled out so last minute scrambling to save the televised show he had to face a Light Middleweight/Welterweight. The promoter made the unbeaten Light Middleweight a good fighter drop some weight against my guy who was primed and prepared for a title fight hence it did not end well for the guy who I don’t think was ever quite the same again. I think Tim Haney were stupid.

 

BS. It’s exactly the same and your boy Floyd was famous for catch weights and rehydration clauses. Ryan weighed 143 with a bottle of beer in his hand-or Apple juice- and long pants and shoes.

 

Your boy comes in the ring over 160 lbs- 165 vs Prograis and 20lbs over Loma. Never heard a peep from you. Garcia weighed 143 with a full bottle in his hand, long pants and shoes so he probably weighed 141. Bottom line Garcia kicked his ass and broke his jaw.

 

Jim Lampley said this was the most shocking thing he's ever seen.

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And that's saying something, he's seen a lot of shocking things throughout his career.

 

I didn't see the fight yet just highlights, neither are my boy. I'm a former wrestler of many years. So i know all about making weight.Making a tough weight division is very hard and has an effect on your performance. If Garcia made the weight he deserves full credit for the win, but he didn't. In a wrestling duel meet if you don't make weight you lose by forfeit, or you compete in the next weight division up. Garcia got to come in at a comfortable weight, while Haney had to boil down. The victory needs to be kept in context. Haney apparently thought he could overcome the handicap, but he couldn't. Garcia might have won anyway, but we will never know.