Devin Miles Haney vs. Vasyl Anatoliyovych Lomachenko & Junto Nakatani vs. Andrew Moloney RBR.

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Throughout the fight Loma didn't appear to be slowed down by the body shots. But in the 12th he was clearly gassed and lost that round, a round that would have earned him a majority draw if he won it. Even in the tail end of the 11th Loma's activity level dropped and Haney sort of made a mini-comeback. Not enough to win Haney the 11th, as Loma was way ahead in that round after the great first half of the 11th, but it was apparent that at the end of the 11th and in the 12th Loma was starting to get gassed.
     
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  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was impressed more by Loma to be honest, in that he did a lot better than I thought he would. He made it a very close and competitive fight. At the same time, I thought Haney did enough to win. The impression heading into the late rounds was that, yes this was close, yes Loma was in the fight, but that Loma was behind and needed to rally. If you're looking to score rounds for Loma, there were more than enough in this one for you to argue that Loma won 7 rounds, so in that sense, it's justifiable to have Loma winning. But in reality, while he kept a lot of rounds close, he didn't do enough, in my mind at least, to definitively win the fight, especially as the challenger. Not enough sustained landing flush shots. And when he did land big eye catching shots, often Haney landed something himself. So Loma couldn't get that separation when he needed it. He had some great moments, don't get me wrong, but he didn't win enough exchanges. So he did better than expected, he made it a good fight, but just didn't do enough to win. A couple well timed hard straight left hands in a few of those close rounds though may have been enough to get him the win.
     
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  3. box33

    box33 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah your right as always they just turn around & run, soon people will calm down in about few days & everybody will forget the scoring while crowning Haney as the clear winner, seen it plenty, nice av.
     
  4. kiwi_boxer

    kiwi_boxer nighty night, ellerbe ☠ ☠ ☠ banned Full Member

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    Appreciate it was a ban-worthy post No arguments from my end, @McGrain .

    Consider this my admission to playing by the rules.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Put him on ignore, really. You won't get anything out of interacting with him.
     
  6. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    Vast, I've read enough of your posts to know that you are a smart guy. However, if you really believe that Lomachenko played defense in the 12th because he knew he had it won, then I also have to think you thought it was a bad strategy on Loma's part. In a sport where scoring is unpredictable even if there is no corruption a boxer shouldn't assume anything. I know that, I believe you know that and I certainly think Lomachenko and his corner should know that.
     
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  7. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Loma said it himself.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's not surprising that he said that. If in his mind, or his corner's mind they had convinced themselves he was winning and could take off the 12th, then it's their fault. They should have known that they needed the 12th round, even if you think you're ahead you fight till the end and do everything you can to close the show strong. You shouldn't give away the 12th round as the challenger in a close fight, if that was a strategy, that is. Easier said than done, but If Loma would have gone out there and fought harder in the 12th and landed a couple more good shots he could have won that round and earned a draw.
     
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  9. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    BS. How many time have we seen fighters go into D mode in the 12th when ahead. It is not even a given that he lost it anyway. He didn't need to "earn" anything as he clearly won the fight.
     
  10. shadow111

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    But those examples didn't play out over the previous 11 rounds as this fight did. In the examples where a Fighter goes into Defense, time wasiting mode, they had won more rounds clearly than Loma did against Haney. Lets face it, Loma did not win many rounds clearly, certainly not enough to be sure you were ahead after 11 rounds. That was seen as a very close fight heading into the 12th round, and surely a round that Loma needed. People might have had Loma up, but I doubt anyone thought Loma could just give away the 12th and still get the decision.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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  12. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Loma vs Haney, Salido, the scandalous 119 card against Teofimo when he clearly swept the vast majority of the rounds in the second half of the fight. The scandalous 114-114 card against GRJ when Loma beat the **** out of GRJ and won by 10 rounds.

    Robbed Kovalev of all his world titles he had to work so hard for to get, including fighting for free for his first 18 fights in the US. Then the corrupt as hell ref waved the fight off on a blatant foul in the rematch when which he never would've done in a million years if the roles were reversed and every single one of us knows it.

    GGG vs Canelo I and II.

    Korobov vs Jermall and then Aleem in his very next fight. Robbed blind in back to back fights by the US judges.

    Hot Rod whooped Marcus Browne's ass dropped him and hurt him badly numerous times and he was robbed blind by the ref and all three home judges. The ref called a KD in Browne's favour when he twisted his ankle and no short from Browne landed anywhere near him and then Browne sucker punched him while he was down in full view of the ref and he said nothing.

    Ivan Golub was robbed blind against Jamontay Clark. Golub stared in disbelief as they announced the decision and Clarke's home fans booed it loudly

    Vanes Martirosyan deserved the nod against Jermello but guess which fighter came up on the short end again.

    Sturm whooped Oscar's ass. Guess who got the decision?

    Zhora Hamazaryan was robbed blind against Thomas Mattice but guess who the three home judges scored it for.

    Same with Nikolai Potapov vs Joshua Greer Jr. Potapobv clearly won the fight but guess who got the decision?

    Botirzhon Akhmedov vs Mario Barrios, Alberto Puello and Kennith Sims Jr. Every single instance guess who never receiveved the rub of the green once in three fights from the home judges?

    Andriy Kotelnik vs Devon Alexander. Kotelnik clearly won

    Andrey Fedosov vs Lance Whitaker. Fedosov won by a landslide, guess who got the decision?

    Roman Karmazin vs Cory Spinks . Guess who got the rub of the green?

    Golota vs Ruiz and Byrd. Golota won both those fights but not once did they give it to him

    That's just EE fighters getting robbed over there or not getting the rub of the green which ever so conveniently enough always seems to go in one direction 99% of the time. Funny that, eh?

    And virtually every single on of the ones in the last decade I mentioned had a home ref and three home judges which again only happens in the US for world title fights. They even did it for undisputed fights between Taylor and JCR and Jermello vs Castano (ref was neutral for the first Castano fight which only happens like 1% of the time in the US). Outrageous.

    When Haney fought Kambosos in Australia all the officials came from neutral countries. Both fights

    When Kovalev fought Ward in the US all the officials for both fights came from the US and Ward refused to allow a single NEUTRAL judge for the rematch after his three home ones robbed Kovalev of all his belts in the first fight.

    When Kovalev defended his titles in Russia against Yarde and Chilemba there wasn't a single Russian ref or judge.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Why do so many not want any of these fighters to get a fair shake? Why are you OK with them almost always coming away on the wrong side of decisions and almost always never getting the rub of the green in close fights? Why do you never have them winning in any of these 'close' fights?

    Loma is a good guy

    He's respectful towards his opponents

    He always seeks out and fights the best

    He has taken risks like few others right from the start of his career and has continued to do so since

    He's giving away huge physical advantages campaigning in a division he doesn't belong in against giants because he dares to be great not because he's a massive weight bully

    He doesn't try to weaken or handicap opponents at the negotiating table with catchweights or rehydration clauses

    Hasn't jacked his himself with PEDs to help him bridge the gap to campaign against bigger men at higher divisions

    He doesn't duck, dodge or cherrypick

    He doesn't avoid certain styles

    He doesn't beat women or civilians up

    Doesn't appear on racist YT channels making disgusting racist comments about fighters who don't look like him

    And he's an incredible fighter with amazing skills

    He's literally everything right and great about the sport and he's done everything and far beyond that you guys say fighters and especially foreign ones need to do to earn their respect but still you don't care one iota as you watch him getting robbed again and again and have his lifelong dreams crushed and a huge part of his legacy stolen from him while you worship at the altar of fighters who do all of those bad things and rarely the good ones if ever at all

    You're heartless monsters

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  14. Cafe

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    Does anyone else think Loma has lost some of his pop though? I haven't watched Loma in a while and while his footspeed is still there, I feel like his handspeed, snap are kind of not the same anymore. He seems to push his shots a lot more.

    Maybe it's just because Haney is more athletic.
     
  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Throw in Latino fighters as well, Argentines in particular, Sergio Martinez robbed against both Cintron and Williams, Matthysse robbed against Alexander and Judah. Castano robbed against Charlo and Lara. It's like an Argentine rite of passion to get robbed twice in America. Hell, Maidana was even debatably robbed of two draws against Mayweather and Khan.
     
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