Devise a strategy for David Haye to beat Vitally Klitschko

The same posters who are picking Haye in this thread are the same who picked Peter to beat VK.......by KO. Afterwards of course Peter was a bum, slow, timid etc ect and some other associated nonsense.

Newsflash : VK was full bore responsible how Peter looked and the fight turned out. I am not a fan of Peter but there is one thing, that guy is strong as a ox and has a way above average chin. No way in hell is Haye taking even a third the shots Peter took. VK lands and his workrate assures that you get hit constantly.

The hype is unbelieveable. At this stage of the game Haye is not going to change. Period. He is what he is. Good speed, good power (far from great) suspect defense /stamina/chin. Those are the facts, besides the loud mouth and a extreme thin resume at Heavyweight...............succesful cruiser , sure , but no Holyfield, not even close.

Vk sends the No2 on the division into oblivion and good ol' Haye flops around with a bottomfeeder ..............not a lot of common sense here in two pages of opinions.

What I can gather is that the posters who pick Haye are doing it for emotional reasons, National pride and unfortunatly, skin color plus pure hatred for the Klitchkos who could beat every single ATG/HOF in a single night and still would be called "****".

I may sound like a broken record but this is VK fight to loose due to age/injury not because Haye is pulling out the Royal flush.

 

Haye won't vastly change his approach, he'll look to use his speed and athleticism, time big shots. If he starts beating Vitali to the punch and landing crisp I can see him taking it by mid rounds stoppage.

Haye's main focus should be on not being too reckless, which he often can be, he doesn't need to lunge in, miss and get countered.

Haye should also work on headmovement, which isnt a strong point of his. He can't afford for Vitali to stay at range and pop out 1-2s, his forward motion and pressure should throw Vitali off his game somewhat, Vitali will look to lean back and counter.

Both fighters have the similarity of being defensively weak with low guards, this means there ring generalship and 'who lands first' will be paramount. Vitali is much the slower man but has reach/range on his side.

Haye fights better against taller and slower men and Vitali fits this description.

Vitali looked slower, with less movement and athleticism against Peter, Peter let him get away with this, Haye will bring the heat.

Haye by mid rounds TKO

 

I just picture where Haye's feet have to be planted in order to reach up while reaching in to land clean on Klitschko and just don't see it. He's got a lot of ground to make up and will have to outstep him 2-3 to 1 to close that gap. And keep his balance. And since Vitali is very effective leaning back from incoming punches, it's going to be very hard to land clean on the guy upstairs. Going to Vitali's body is risky since he throws a real sneaky counter right over the other guys left hand. And too many right hand leads are dangerous against any elite fighter.

That leaves getting low and coming up & I haven't seen Haye fighting out of a crouch or having that type of defense. Or it leaves counter punching, but that still leaves that distance to close to get inside that long Klitschko wingspan to land.

And all the while he's doing this, that Haye defense has to be better than ever because this guy throws 50 punches a round and just combos guys to death. Obviously, Haye has to have that mentality of immediately firing back > getting hit in a millisecond and not let Klitschko land punches 2/3/4. and is vitali ever accurate with those punches 2/3/4. He just doesn't seem to miss & then he backs out of there instead of pressing forward.

You also have to factor in the corners and that Sdunek sure has a terrific record and even in defeat, his guys don't seem to bring in their B game. That would also help the Haye chances a bunch==fighting and up and down performer and not a consistent guy that does bring in the B game from time to time.

 

Agreed. Those picking Haye to win are doing so for the reasons you mentioned in the second to last paragraph.

 

One of the hardest things about fighting an unorthodox boxer like Vitali is that it's hard to find worthwhile (from a skills-perspective) sparring. How many 6"5+ boxers with a low guard, iron chin and high output of punches from unpredictable angles are there? I can only think of one, and he's likely to have other training commitments during Haye's camp.

Incidentally, while I'm a Haye fan and not a Vitali fan, I could give an analysis of how Vitali should fight as well if someone wanted it. Being a fair-minded boxing fan means, to paraphrase Aristotle, entertaining a possible fight-outcome without necessarily considering it probable. The difference between "nuthuggers" and "fans" is that the latter can conceptualise, albeit uncomfortably, the possibility of their favourite losing to any opponent.

 

You might not be aware of this, but Haye's reach is only about two inches shorter than Vitali. Obviously, he's five inches shorter, but Sanders was about the same height as Haye, had a shorter reach and slower feet, yet was able to land while he still had the breath to punch. Vitali is by no means unhittable and Haye is not a small boxer.

Also, Haye often goes into a crouch in order to slip punches. It's one of his key defences, which is one of the reasons why he's tended to be more elusive against taller boxer rather than boxers who are level with him when he does it.

 

Like I said, the revisionism has already started and the result isn't even known yet.

 

RE; Haye's reach.

Vitali fights a lot different than a 2" reach suggests. Plus, it's 2inches laterally in addition to a higher angle to those punches. Lots of power gets lost when that trajectory is changed.

As for the Haye crouch, I'm not all that impressed by it & tend to think it's very predictable and easy to solve. What then? Klitschko certainly & those Sdunek preperations--will certainly prepare for it.

 

Just for the record Noob I picked Vitali to win every round against Peter, check my posts :deal

 

I agree, even at cruiserweight (which used to be heavyweight), fighters in general are just more susceptible to being knocked down.

I just watched Vitali vs Bean and while Bean never really was in the fight, the times when he was effective was mostly when he countered Klitschko's shots. It's basically the only way when you're fighting such a big man with decent footwork. And Haye is pretty good at slipping punches and bringing home a right hand. He did that perfectly against Maccaranelli right before the finish. His combinations do need a bit of variation though, he seems to rely very much one the 1-2-left hook.

 

I don't think anyone is suggesting that Haye should be aiming to KO Vitali.

Does Haye fight out of a crouch or not? If he does, then you hadn't seen Haye fight when you posted that; if he does, then your second post is nonsense.

 

Agreed. If two white Scots are the key advocates of Haye's chances, then how can national pride or skin colour be a factor?