Devon alexander is good but beatable.

I love Devon as a hometown fighter and all, but goddamnit that sound he makes when he punches drives me ****ing nuts. So annoying:nut

 

So Juan Urango is shopworn.

Because he's not fighting Pacquiao or Mayweather at 140. He's fighting several good fighters, but nobody thats established themselves as great. So theorizing based off of the fights we've seen, the power Alexander has shown, the speed, the ring intelligence that he'd beat these fighters. Its really not a hard concept to understand. If you cant see his talent then you need to watch more boxing so you can pick up on things like this.

That has nothing to do with anything. Neither Ortiz, Khan nor Bradley woudl KO Urango in the fashion that Alexander did. They'd outbox him in a boring fight but they wouldnt take the fight to him, stand in range and go for the impressive KO.

You need to get real bro. BRadley is small, not as fast or as strong as Alexander. He has good footwork but he does nothing extremely well. He is an above average fighter that is good in every area but not special.

Maidana has power, but no defense, no real boxing technique and would get destroyed by a good boxer with pop. Ortiz has no real power yet he put Miadana down several times and should have finished him.

Khan can be special, but he's still raw, as to why Roach is protecting him and wont let him fight good fighters. He has power, but reaches with his punches, and I think Alexander has the better jab. And that chin is still a huge question mark.


Out of all the fighters at 140, Alexander is easily the most complete.

 

All I have seen of him is the Witter and Urango fights, but I'm very impressed by him. The way he used his speed and combination punching to deal with someone as physically imposing as Urango was fantastic. Sure he's not the complete package yet, but he's a work in progress. His fundamentals seem solid, and I like his mentality, he shows no fear, but keeps his composure. To be honest, I'm more impressed with him than I am with Timothy Bradley, who seems to be more perspiration than inspiration as I see it.

 

The thing is with the Urango knockout, I didn't see a puncher in the rest of that fight and I didn't see a puncher against Witter. It was a perfect punch but I doubt be will reproduce that shot.

Everyone is agreed that it was a great punch but that finish has glossed over some issues.

Hatton landed at a higher rate and was hit at a lower rate than Alexander. Both Hatton and Berto lost less rounds.

That's really not good, considering how easy to hit Berto and Hatton are. Neither are elusive and yet Urango landed more punches on Alexander? Slow, plodding, predictable Urango landed 34% of his punches. What would Khan or Bradley do? If Maidana lands 34% on anyone, they're probably not going to see round 12. All these are better punchers and better fighters than Urango. They present more challenges tactically and physically.

I just think the finish has clouded peoples judgement. It wasn't a great win. As with a lot of fights on ESB, Abraham especially, the brutality of the finish has become more important than the previous rounds. The fact is, Alexander didn't look world class and I think all the other challengers for top dog at 140, would have made easier work of the limited Urango.

 

The Kotelnik fight will actually be a good test. I think a lot of people expect Devon to run him over but he's a skilled boxer in his own right and I will be genuinely shocked if Devon can KO him.

That being said I hope I see Devon bring the KO, i'm going to the live event and I want a goddamn show.

I'm also in agreement with Popkins. I think he's better than Bradley, or will be.

 

Exactly. If anyones overrated its Bradley. Bradley is a jack of all trades and master of none.

 

Urango landed less punches because Berto and Hatton hugged and smothered him.

Alexander fought at punching range, a more dangerous proposition but worth the risk in it gave him a chance to get his own punches off.

Again Alexander boxed Urango, Hatton and Berto hugged him. Different strategies, one far more impressive then the others and more effective int he long run.

None of the challengers knock out Urango. They may box him to easy UD's but none KO him.

Which is what seperates Alexander from the rest. If Alexander for instance lands the same punches on Maidana that Ortiz landed on him, he doesnt get up, simple as.

 

I've seen you mention Akexander's physical ability but I think you're missing a bigger point.

Of all the champions at 140, Bradley is currently the most skilled. Khan follows him and then, quite a way back, it's Akexander. He simply isn't a very good boxer. I don't think he's a better boxer than Ortiz either and despite my dislike of him and low opinion, I actually think Judah is more talented.

Alexander hasn't got works class ability. Maybe you can add "yet" to that, but he certainly doesn't have the ability to beat a top 140lber right now.

Obviously I missed Maidana but it's impossible to rate him Hes just a wild *******.

 

I'm not willing to say Bradley is more skilled than Khan. Bradley is better than Khan on the inside but on the outside there's no question who's better. Khan has more polished individual weapons and is a great combination thrower as well on top of that.

 

But he isn't a big puncher. If he had shown that power the other times I'd seen him, I would say "great win" but in the other fights I've seen, I don't think he's shown impressive power. He didn't against an old Witter, who never had an outstanding chin and was there to be hit. I think it's a one off punch.

And Hatton and Berto didn't just smother him. Besides that, it's much easier to land at close range, than at middle distance. Especially for a fighter like Urango, who prefers fighting at short range. He was suited to the Berto and Hatton bouts and still landed at a lower percentage.

Ignoring the KO, would anyone say he did a good job? He waswinnibg that fight on one thing: Activity. He wasn't outboxing Urango, he wasn't making him look slow or weak, he wasn't doing anything impressive.

 

Shopworn may have been an overstatement. But the fact that he's been beaten twice in two hard fought loses DOES take away from Alexander's win. This was widely regarded as Urango's last shot at the bigtimes and you know that buddy.

Alexander is being more than praised for his skill, we have Alexander vs Pac threads up, Alexander is the consensus favorite to beat everyone at 140, so don't downplay this **** with me, you know you're nuthugging to the max. And I think you need to watch a little more boxing yourself buddy, if one knockout impresses you that much. Alexander relied way too much on his athleticism against a slower fighter in Urango, a top caliber fighter would've exploited how open he was.

In what you said about Bradley, the only truth was that he is small. He has no real boxing technique??? Should I even bring up counterexamples and debate you? Or should I let you live in your ignorance?

Ortiz has no power? 21 KOs in 26 wins? Uh huh buddy.

And I'm well aware of Maidana's limitations. On paper, he should've lost to any decent fighter he's faced. But he has intangibles that have let him to beat everyone but (and according to some, including) Kotelnik. His will to win alone will be enough to give Alexander a hell of a fight, but I agree, that is the most winnable of the 3 matchups.

 

Nonsense. Alexander has the far better jab. They're footwork and precision are near equal, but Alexander has the greater physical attributes. Bradley basically has one punch, the right hand. We've seen from Alexander he can throw and KO you from any angle. Hell we saw the difference in when they fought Witter. Witter was competitive againt Bradley, wasnt even in the fight against Alexander.

Utter nonsense. Has a fantastic jab. Can throw punches from any angle. Great speed. Good power. We've had Popkins and Swarmer two guys that are known on this forum for their boxing knowledge give praise to Alexanders boxing ability, you are the basically the only one that doesnt think he's a good boxer. What does that tell you?

Judah is more talented then most of the fighters in the world, for the first 4 rounds. If had stamina and could take a punch, he'd be one of the best in the world. Doesnt mean anything.

Alexander has mental toughness unlike Judah, and a much thicker frame from which to express his talents.

Nonsense. He'd beat Bradley, Khan and Maidana right now. Maidana would be the easiest. Then BRadley, then Khan.

Again, none of them have the complete physical tools and skill set Alexander does. He has the best jab in the division aswell by a margin.

 

Yeah, that's true. Khan is exceptional on the outside and good at middle range. Bradley is also good at middle range and brilliant on the inside. I think this is, basically, what Alexander is lacking. He isn't really good anywhere!

He's quite a way behind the other two in terms of boxing skill.

 

Nobody is calling him a world beater. People are simply recognizing him for the talent he's shown so early in his career. He's definately the forerunner in snatching Bradley's crown away from him.

Him against Khan in 2/3 years time will be epic!

 

Witter was on his bike most of the fight trying his best to stay away. When he did catch Witter he rocked him. You are the one who brought up astounding power. I've said his power is good. But still good enough to probably be the best in the division. With maybe Khan slightly ahead. I think Maidanas power is overrated because he doesnt have the technique to catch a fighter who can defend.

Nonsense. It is not easuer to land at close range then middle distance. Both Kessler and Allan Green found that out. If you cant fight on the inside, its almost impossible to beat a smotherer. Which is what Hatton was for most of his career. Fought guys who could fight on the inside, Collazo and Mayweather he got found out. Hell its why Hopkins is unscathed at 46. He smothers you.

He was outboxing Urango wide. The scorecards were a joke. I gave Urango maybe 2 rounds at best.

He was constantly pumping the jab into Urangos face, making him constantly turn as to why his punches even though he did land a few didnt have near the effect they have on other fighters. The uppercut that Alexander landed was a shot he was landing all fight, it was just a culmination of the damage Urango was taking. Look at his face in the corner before the knockout, it was a mess.

His performance againt Urango was impressive, especially how he looked in comparison to Hatton and BErto who stunk out the joint against urango, I dont know what to tell anyone that says otherwise.