Dick Tiger vs Bernard Hopkins

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  1. Eye of Timaeus

    Eye of Timaeus Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I see this being a bad night for b-hop. His rough tactics will play into the king of roughing ups hands IMO. Tiger wide decision. Thoughts?
     
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  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Could go in Hopkins favour. He was an hard guy to beat really.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hopkins is huge compared to Tiger, he's a LHW in Tiger's era. Tiger did well against LHWs but probably none quite as good as Bhop was at his middleweight best. Hopkins is too clever and would take a wide decision for me; the only thing I'd say is that if it's over 15, you just don't know how Hopkins would react to that, although of every single fighter who hasn't boxed over 15, Hopkins is the one i'd be most confident would go well.

    9-6ish on my card probably.
     
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  4. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think Hopkins will have a hard time discouraging Tiger from coming after him, I see Hopkins winning several of the early rounds then Tiger starts wearing him down and takes most rounds after the 10th. Tiger by close UD maybe split decision, even though the scores will be close I think most will realize who beat who .
     
  5. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Hopkins by solid decision over any amount of rounds.
     
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  6. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I always thought the same thing. He was a master at pacing and finding his own rhythm. If 15 rounders existed in his day, I reckon he'd have a few more wins and a few more stoppage victories.
     
  7. Smokin Bert

    Smokin Bert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If by a "master of pacing," you mean trying to slow things down and only throw sporadic counterpunhes, I agree. But, I don't think that would work against Tiger who could deliver hurtful punches consistently over 15 rounds.
     
  8. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bhop all day. I love Tiger but if Bhop has shown anything, he has showed that he knows how to deal with a guy like Tiger. If Bhop could handle the strength/power of Pavlik, Cloud, Glen Johnson etc with ease, He could absolutely handle the much smaller Tiger.
     
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  9. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair enough. I'd personally favor Hopkins myself, but my track record on predictions ain't exactly stellar.

    Regarding Hopkins mastery of pacing, in my humble opinion, he was damn versatile and could dictate the terms of a fight in a variety of different ways, depending on the style of his opponent. I also think you may be selling Hopkins short on his ability to take the initiative. That lead right of his was a tricky customer if he found his range and timing, and it wasn't easy to counter whenever he found his groove.
     
  10. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    When Bernard got older he threw less, true - but what about when he was younger & much more active? He wasn't 49 throughout his whole career.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    His workrate was fine at his best.
     
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  12. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    He generally threw less as he aged, even his later years at 160. But that wasn't always the case. There were certain fights where he was more offensive minded than usual, even at an advanced age against guys like Pavlik, Pascal, and even Cloud and Shumenov as I recall. But the thing of it is - circling back to what McGrain was saying, Hopkins rarely got outhustled down the final stretch of a fight. I'm not saying there wasn't an exception like a Joe Calzaghe, and I'm not saying that he never otherwise lost a championship round later in his career (pre-49). But he didn't lose many championship rounds over a stretch lasting a decade, and he was often outworking guys 15-20 years younger than him late in a contest.

    I think Hopkins would have handled 15 rounds just fine. And I view his methodical pacing as a strong attribute. Even in losing efforts, Hopkins usually got his conqueror to fight to the beat of his rhythm.
     
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  13. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Personally, I think his workrate tended to be fine throughout his career even when he was clearly past his best (exluding his last two losses when he was very near [and over] 50).
     
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  14. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hopkins handled a murderous puncher in Antwun Echols, twice. Echols had fairly decent skill, but his power was the equalizer, this dude could whack! First fight was a wide UD, the second a TKO. Bernard was good at handling strong, pressuring types, and he had a sneaky wicked right uppercut inside against shorter guys. Hopkins' KO of Joe Lipsey is a good example.
     
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  15. JohnThomas1

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    I thought his workrate tapered at the end of his 160 days due to the long term strains making of the weight and then he was somewhat re-energised when he moved up. Of course we then had age coming into things as well the longer his career went on.
     
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