Just noticed I started this thread years ago! Just realized a point regarding these fighters. Tiger hit "prime" LONG after he should have! Valdez turned pro in 1962 at age 16 and spent virtually the entire 60's 'laboring' in South America! (Same slowww scenario as Tiger) Two HOF warriors who, if they had been turned loose on the international stage earlier, would surely, IMO, be on the short list of ATG's!!! My somewhat limited $0.02