Did Abel Sanchez really say with a straight face getting paid less $10 million was insulting?

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  1. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Did Manny Pacquiao renogiate with Freddie after busting through the PPV stardom gate? Genuine question, because I don't know. Freddie was on 10%.

    Something might be standard practice, doesn't make it right. I'm a big fan of Ray Leonard's fighting, but I don't support him cutting Angie Dundee's pay.

    Would you say that 10% is too high a take to begin with?


    He can't be that greedy if he worked for free for several fights.


    I'm sure we'll be seeing him again, propagandizing annoyingly for one of his charges.
     
  2. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    well surely if GGG is a half decent man he could see 2 million out of 100 was lowballing to the extreme.
     
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    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Saint Genndayi does no wrong.

    If Golovkin says the sky is now yellow, then by God, his faithful believers will fight tooth and nail defending their Lord.
     
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    No, it's standard. Sanchez would get over $333,000 per fight. It's a nice fee for him. When Freddie Roach trained DLH for Mayweather, he got $500k.

    The only reason why DLH hired Roach instead of keeping Roger Mayweather was because Roger demanded 10% and DLH wasn't having it. Roger wanted $2 million and DLH told him to **** off.
     
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    I heard that Pac took care of Roach. I'm not sure of their arrangement, but Pac is the only guy in boxing who would be willing to pay Roach over a million per fight.

    I would say 10% is fair up to a certain point. Fighters making over $5 million per fight would be stupid to give 10%.
     
  6. navigator

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    Or it could just be that we don't DKS about the financial wranglings that occur between boxers and trainers after boxers hit the big time. It doesn't have much to do with the actual boxing, after all.

    I know some pro boxers, but I don't know any who hit the big time (unless Luke Campbell counts, and he left Bromby a while ago, more for reasons of progression than finance, and I only knew him vaguely, i.e. we attended the same gym, so I wouldn't be privvy to his financial dealings in any case).

    Provide more examples of fighters who renegotiated with longterm trainers after hitting it big, if you feel like it. I know there are some, of course (I referred to Leonard/Dundee).

    Might there also be more than a few examples to the contrary? What about Hagler and the Petronellis, do you know anything about changes to their financial arrangements after Marvin hit it big? I don't (or at least I don't recall having read about it), that's why I'm asking you, because you seem to know more about this kind of thing.

    Was Golovkin's contract with Sanchez up, or was it on ongoing concern? I'd say that a fighter has a right to part ways with a guy on account of money, if they're not breaching a binding contract that hasn't expired. If a guy feels that he no longer needs the trainer to succeed, or has learned all he can from him, and wants to save money for himself, that's one thing. If he's in breach of an arrangement that both men signed on and that hasn't expired, well, that's another.


    I'll bet that a lot of the people supporting Golovkin on this issue didn't back Andre Ward's attempts to renegotiate with his former promoter. To be clear, I think Ward should have seen out of his contract (thus staying active) and looked to renegotiate or move on once it expired, although I'm sure James Prince was a driving force behind the litigation.
     
  7. Ph33rknot

    Ph33rknot Live as if you were to die tomorrow Full Member

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    Abe was also his Pr/hype man pushed him more than his own promoter
     
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  8. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Anthony Joshua is definitely generous with rob mccracken, I respect that. fighters seem to stay with rob through thick or thin, he likes to stay in the background.

    fury is on good terms with Ben, Ben just did not want demoted

    Pac-Man is on a fight by fight man of his word payment with roach. It’s generally around 10%.

    canelo is generous and loyal, 365 million might make you that way
     
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  9. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Also you could say that if any trainer deserves the money it would be Roach. He turned Pac into an ATG and gave him food and a place to stay when he was a nobody.
     
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    Yeah, that was never about money, Ben just didn't want Tyson bringing another name guy in to work alongside him. I think that the public criticism from Roach after the first fight had stung him, understandably so, and that he didn't want to feel undermined again.

    What a fine fellow Manny truly is.

    But Canelo is a horrible person. Or so I've heard from ardent Golovkin fans, anyway. Meanwhile, Golovkin is boxer not businessman, according to, um, Golovkin.
     
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    Abel welcomed Golovkin to the US and gave him tutelage and the use of his facilities for free, or so it's reported.
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Like Golovkin desperately needed his tutelage. The man was in his prime before he even met Sanchez.
     
  13. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    how do you know it would have worked out that way though?

    also Sanchez stuck with GGG when he was getting 6 figure paydays, give the man his golden handshake for being a massive part of his life.

    I’m sorry but 2 mil of 100 is GREED. You know it, I know it, the world knows it
     
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    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    I should let it be known that my philosophy on fighter/trainer compensation is that the boxer should make more money than the trainer and that actually usually doesn't happen. Trainers typically make more money than boxers when it's all said and done.
     
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    Then why did he accept the free tutelage and facilities from this nobody know-nothing? Are you saying that he didn't mold Golovkin's style in any way, shape or form?