Did Ali and Holmes have True Granite Chins

The term "granite" is reserved only for the likes of Chuvalo, Mercer, Hagler, Eubank, etc..

And yeah, Ali & Holmes had true grit, a dominant quality vs strong punchers.

 

Holmes was dropped once before he fought Shavers, and that was a flash knockdown against Kevin Isaac Holmes got up very quickly and knocked him out the next round. Name 10 people that you think would have remained standing from the shots that Larry took from Shavers and Snipes. Larry was hit by monster shots and he got up quickly. He got up at what, 5 from the Snipes shot, and 6 from the Shavers one. Hell, he was kicking Snipes's ass a few seconds after the knockdown. Holmes went 23 rounds with Shavers, and got dropped once, that's pretty good if you ask me. Only 4 people can say they dropped Holmes in the pros, the Butterbean knockdown was a BS call.

 

I would say that had great chins, but not granite or iron, I consider those the chins of guys like Chuvalo, McCall, Cobb, Marciano, etc. They both faced huge punchers, and you can count the amount of people that dropped them on one hand. When they did go down, they always got up swinging, and that sets them apart from most fighters.

 

Ali had the better chin, where Holmes is unreal is in his recuperative powers and ability to fight while hurt.

 

The rounds that Ali went against Liston,Frazier,Foreman,Shavers,Norton, and Holmes without ever really close to be koed is amazing. Its well over 100 rounds. And he also faced many other big punchers. He is right there with the greatest chins ever.

 

Please tell me that someone didn't just mention Tyson in a greatest chins debate. The overrating of this guy on this board is amazing. This is a guy who never finsed a real war.

 

Not Eubank. He was dropped against Benn, Watson, Calzaghe, etc. I'd also like to add McCullough who IMO surpasses Hagler's chin. Because he moved up and fought physically bigger fighters who were chilling punchers in their prime weights. Hamed and Morales. And McCullough was a natural bantamweight who had no business sharing a ring with Hamed 10 years ago. Not only was McCullough giving away power but also strength and size against them both. Hagler's best hitters were fighters moving up to face him. Probably Hearns and Mugabi.

Hagler and McCullough's chins are on the same level, but McCullough's chin was out of it's depth and comfort zone more than Hagler's, thus he clearly gets the nod. And McCullough's come forward style, take two to give one, further enhances his chin as he was hit often throughout his career.

 

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Sorry i couldn't find the picture of Tyson putting in his mouthpiece sideways after getting koed by a series of punches about half as bruntal as Ali took almost every round he ever fought against Frazier.

 

Which huge punchers do you think Rocky faced?

 

Very perceptive post, with which I agree.The Irishman was freakish for durability.

 

You might do well to read the whole post before blurting out stuff like that. After stating that Tyson had a great chin, I also said that when he got hurt he stayed hurt and that that was crucial.

 

Ali had without a doubt, one of the greatest chins in the history of the game. I mean, look at who he fought. Two of the best one puch bombers EVER in boxing; Big George and Earnie Shavers. Never stopped ( don`t tell me about the holmes fight). I think thats a big part of the reason Ali is the way he is today. Puches he took would drop and stop any heavyweights from any era. Ali, not only took them but would come back and find a way to win. Best heavyweight champ chin ever...

 

Even saying Tyson had a great chin serious overrated him. There could be a serious argument wether or not Tyson had a weak chin.

 

I'd say their chins were about the same, as well as their recuperative powers.

 

Give me your argument he has a "weak" chin.........

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