Did Ali duck anyone?

YA HE KINDA DUCKED FOREMAN 4 A REMATCH.....:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

You just took the words out of my mouth!!! Great answer.
Tho this may have been a Dundee decision at the time (circa late 62-early 63). By the time he was champ Eddie was heading down the hill and Ali wouldn't have had much problem but a 62-63 Machen just may have been too slick and could have put an early L on Clay's record. I don't think Angie wanted his man in with Eddie at that time.
My $0.02

 

Who is Kent Green?

I must admit I've never heard of him.

 

He refused to give rematches to Doug Jones and Billy Daniels after he struggled with them. He didn't really press enough for a rematch with Joe Frazier for a while after his first official loss.

 

Kent Green was a southpaw in the amateur ranks who posted the only stoppage win over him until his disastrous showing against Holmes. When Green was in his late 30's, he and Ali had a sparring exhibition as part of the buildup for that ill fated comeback against Larry, with Green's stoppage win being the hook for selling the performance.

 

Yes he slipped on the pile of **** that came out of his trunks!

 

Ali was 33 when he fought George Foreman a man the Ring magazine had on the cover with the headline "Is This The Hardest Hitting Heavyweight Of All Time?",Alicame out of 3 I/2 years of exile to take on Jerry Quarry,does this sound like a man who ducked people to you?,He fought the men who gave him the most trouble Frazier and Norton 3 times each,I dont think there is any case to answer here.

 

He 'avoided' a Foreman rematch, no doubts. He initially accepted it, early 1976, it was pencilled in for later that year. Then Ali announced his retirement...then he informed the WBC he would box again. After Foreman gatecrashed an Ali conference he said he would fight him, this was November 1976 (as below)...then he retired again. Fight off. The WBC insisted that the Foreman match must take place by April 1977 and be signed for by January.

In early '77 Ali said he need 'two warm up fights' before taking on George again, to which Foreman replied: "Why not fight now. Sign today, I am the mandatory after all". In the meantime, Ali didn't sign up for the rematch; its cutting off point was supposedly January 1977, the WBC still didn't strip him when he elected to take on the might of Evangelista instead.

Soon after Ken Norton wrote an open letter to Boxing Illustrated basically saying how disgusted his was with the authorities letting Ali take the **** out of them and that he'd only made one mandatory defence of his regained crown- John Conteh and Carlos Monzon were immediately stripped of theirs when the former broke his hand and the latter signed to fight the undisputed welter champ, Ali didn't have such reason ohter than he was Ali and that's that. An impatient Foreman foolishly signed to fight Young, found God, ate a lot, shaved head, had 20 more kids called George, became businessman, came back, etc etc.

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...only he didn't when it came to signing.

 

Thanks for that Duodenum.

This guy stopped Ali in the amateurs!? Wow, I didn't know anyone had ever stopped Ali, even in the amateurs. What were the circumstances of the stoppage (was Ali knocked down before he was stopped etc) ? Is there any known footage of this fight available? I'd really like to see this fight if there is.

 

Thanks for the info Smokin' Joe. Much appreciated.
I suppose if he was only 16 it's forgivable as presumably Cassius would have been very green (unlike Kent). It is a shame theres footage or even pics.

 

It was reportedly on February 26, 1957, in the Chicago Golden Gloves Quarterfinals, that 17 year old seasoned amateur hometowner Green handed the 15 year old Clay his final defeat until the FOTC. Most reports I've found so far have it recorded as a second round technical knockout, though a couple have it listed as a third round stoppage. Green was the 1958 Chicago Golden Gloves LHW Champion. It is alleged that a photograph taken shows Green standing over young Clay on the floor after a knockdown.

As a professional, Green posted a record of 12W (6 KO) 2L 0D from 1959 to 1969, and handed Amos Johnson his first defeat early in their careers. Apparently, Green and Ali remained friendly for over 20 years.

I can find very little about Green on-line:huh . The best source for more information about this occurrance would probably be the sports pages of a Chicago newspaper gone to press on the following day. If footage of this event exists, an indication of it might be identified there. (A Louisville, KY sports section for 2-27-1957 might also include more news concerning this match.)

That's about the best I can do for now. There are a couple of entries for Green on boxwreck, including a brief biography with a mugshot:deal.

Nothing I've located about him indicates he was a southpaw. That is my own potentially faulty recollection of an interview Howard Cosell conducted with Ali when Muhammad resigned his WBA HW Title in 1979, after he was asked about his difficulties with left handed opposition. He mentioned losing to a southpaw in the amateurs, and I believe it's Green whose name he mentioned.

 

Ali should have ducked Jimmy Young he looked shocking.