Did Ali ever have a specific strategy and stuck with it for the whole fight?

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  1. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    There have been a few occasions where Ali has clearly altered his style or strategy for a specific opponent but I can't think of one that he had prepared in advance and applied it for the whole fight.

    The most obvious example about a different strategy is when he fought Foreman but that was something he came up with after realising he was expending too much energy and (apparently) not something he had planned.

    There was Manila where he started with an unusually high guard to protect himself against Frazier's left hook and he would spin Frazier around to stay away from the ropes but that strategy seemed to go out of the window after two minutes even though it was working.
    Maybe it's hard to change your style when you've been fighting for years and your instincts take over.

    There was the third Norton fight where Ali was flat footed and aiming to punch harder in the hope of knocking Norton out but that had to be scrapped as Norton built up an early points lead.

    I suppose there was the Spinks rematch where he used his 'jab, jab right hand' strategy throughout the fight but it wasn't a really noticeable change in his approach.
     
  2. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Strategy goes out the window a lot of the time.

    Foreman/Frazier are always going to be tough physical fights for a headhunting clincher in Ali.

    Quickly worked out he should try to outlast George and sacrificed his body to save his head. Would have felt George slow and get weaker in the clinches then eventually found his way to win.

    You could see it in Ali's eyes before the bout started that he knew this was going to be tough
     
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  3. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    This is true but I have seen fighters stick to a strategy throughout a fight.

    Ali changed his strategy during the fight in Zaire and stuck with it.

    But I didn't understand why he seemed to forget the strategy in Manila so quickly, especially when it was working.
    I also don't understand why Dundee didn't get him to stick to the strategy when Ali moved away from it before the first round was over.

    It was obviously something they'd worked on in training for the third Frazier fight.
     
  4. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some fighters never changed strategy. Some only ever had one strategy. Mike Tyson. Did he ever do anything different, other than stop bobbing/weaving/throwing combos when he was older? (and even then, his basic strategy was still the same, rush forward, get to mid range, throw a punch or two, wait for opponent to throw a punch, try to throw knockout punch as a counter).
     
  5. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I'm not disputing that.

    I was asking about Ali.
     
  6. Barrf

    Barrf Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know. Was responding to a specific comment.

    As to Ali, I don't recall him ever starting a fight with a specific strategy and not changing it. He always changed it up.
     
  7. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't say he always changed it up.

    He rarely had to change things. He didn't need to.
     
  8. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ali adapted to his opponent. Against the bum of the month fighters it was basic jab jab jab right cross reset.

    Against the Fraziers Foremans and Nortons improvisation was key.
     
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  9. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I take improvisation as coming up with something new during a fight. He did that against Foreman.

    I don't think he did it against Frazier or Norton.
     
  10. vast

    vast Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    At times he would stand toe to toe with both rather than moving and boxing.
     
  11. djanders

    djanders Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes! He stuck with one once: Stepin Fetchit showed Ali the "Anchor Punch" strategy, which Jack Johnson used to use ("Low to high, Counter Pull Punch"). Ali stuck to that strategy, in Lewiston, though the short duration of the fight may have helped him stick with it for the entire fight. Had there been more time, Ali may have wandered off course again.
     
  12. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I so hope that's true, my friend. I don't want to believe that was a fix.
     
  13. LoadedGlove

    LoadedGlove Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I guess, the first Ken Norton fight. Ali didn't change things up even though he was losing. I think Ken's awkward style had him completely stumped.
     
  14. DavidC77

    DavidC77 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I would call that conserving energy.

    He didn't have the legs to move around constantly from 1970 onwards.