Did Ali Fight A Shot Frazier For 2 And 3...?

I meant Frazier´s career, Ali won at the LHW- division gold. Is persecuted false in that context? I thaught it means that I watched his whole career...

 

Sorry Luigi I had to laugh at that one ,especially as you often get on Ali,s case!

 

Compare that with Vitaly,s proposed comeback fight!
Ive allways maintained we never saw the best of Ali,it would have been those years i n exile.

 

I agree, but frankly, I don't think that either Ali or Frazier were at their peaks for the Thrilla in Manila. Both men were past their prime in my opinion.

 

definitely.it was an incredible fight when you consider how far over the hill they were.especially the punch rate.

 

I think you mean 'persued'. :good

Persecuted by definition means: "Persecution is the systematic mistreatment of an individual/group by another group."

Pretty funny in the conext though.

 

and the context:rofl

 

I think the thing to focus on here is Ali, and not Frazier. Ali learned how to clinch ( Behind Frazier's head ) cover up, and counter punch as his career progressed.

Ali was far stronger then Frazier in a clinch. IMO, this skill served him well in the 2nd and 3rd fights. Ali's clinching skills of Ali were mostly void in the fight Frazier won.

So to me its a change in excution and tactics by Ali that made a differnce.

 

Agreed!

 

Oh, OK, thx, I learnt something new again... :good

 

FRAZIER WAS DEFINETLY NOT SHOT FOR THE 2ND FIGHT WITH ALI.............3RD FIGHT NOT SHOT BUT DEFINETLY DECLINED FROM 1971:smoke:smoke:smoke

 

:yikes I remember going up to the Concord hotel in upstate N.Y. to watch Joe Frazier train for that 1st fight with Ali. I've been around my fair share of training camps but the intesity at that camp was amazing.

Joe put every ounce of himself into that fight and in my view was never the same. On that night, he may have had the ability to beat any heavyweight ever. However, after that fight , he was never quite the same.

Remember, Joe was hospitalized for about 10 days after that fight. He suffered with some kidney problems. Joe was like a lot of the not too tall heavyweights, their primes were not quite a long as taller fighters. They had to put so much into conditioning and tended to take punishment even in victories. Once they reached a point beyond their absolute prime, their abilities fell off .

I was at that fight and electricity in the air at MSG was unforgetable.:rasta

 

I think a case can be made to say that Frazier was shot, for certainly the superfight in 1971, and that horrible beating from Foreman did him no good at all. However, for a shot fighter, he sure gave Ali hell in Manilla, now didn't he?

 

Frazier was in his prime in the first fight and Ali had slipped a little from his prime, but in my opinion he was beaten very convincingly that fight and I strongly disagree with anyone that says a prime Ali would have done to Frazier what he did to Liston.

I believe the medical complications that Joe suffered following the fight were largely a result of the extent to which he exerted himself in those 15 rounds and not necessarily Ali's punches. I just watched the whole fight again recently and the pace at which he fought for those 45 mintues was nothing short of super-human.

Neither of the two fighters were prime in the last two fights (Joe had problems with blood pressure and arthritis), but you have to take all three fights for what they were. They were great fights between two unbelievable athletes. I wish we could see all the greats fight each other at their absolute peak but it just doesn't work that way.

Peak Ali vs. Peak Frazier: Even greater/closer fight than Ali/Frazier I. People argue who won on a 6,000 page ESB thread until the end of time.

Stylistically, they were made for each other. Ali was the slightly better all around p4p, but against each other they're even.

 

No he wasn't shot.