Did Ali have the easiest Heavyweight reign 65'-67'

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  1. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali , Holmes , Louis , Wladimir , Vitali , Bowe , Markegiano , Frazier , Patterson and Liston all had primarily infraweak opposition during d vast majority of their reigns . In Frazier's , Bowe's , Holmes' and Patterson's cases it's obvious that they were protected fighters , in Vitali's and Wlad's (in Wlad's case only until a yr ago) cases it's obvious that their possible best opponents avoided them .
     
  2. Senor Pepe'

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    Could anyone on the above list be replaced with;
    Eddie Machen
    Doug Jones (Re-match)
    Thad Spencer
    Amos Lincoln
    Amos Johnson
    Eduardo Corletti
    Oscar Bonavena
    Roger Rischer
     
  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Liston deserved a rematch because he was only stopped due 2 shoulder injury , Chuvalo proved he was a worthy challenger and yet unstopped and deserved n immediate rematch if anything so instead of being replaced he should actually b added again , Doug Jones definitely deserved a rematch , regarding d rest i know less .
     
  4. Senor Pepe'

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    Either Eddie Machen and/or Doug Jones should have had the first opportunity at
    the heavyweight title, after Cassius Clay won the title over Sonny Liston in
    February 1964.

    But, the deal makers had a signed contract, with Sonny getting a re-match if
    he lost, plus the rights to the promotion, and other $$$.

    Sonny Liston was the first heavyweight challenger to receive $1,000,000 +.
     
  5. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Compared to some of the fights wlad has, not a chance
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    I actually think it's 1 of the harder reigns, not the hardest, but harder than Jeffries, Johnson, Dempsey, Patterson, Wlad
     
  7. Senor Pepe'

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    At least Muhammad Ali was busy,,,,,,,,,,

    But does a heavy work load mean it was hard,,,,

    Even a re-match with Billy Daniels draws some merit...
     
  8. kenmore

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    I think Vlad's opponents were generally better than those of the '65-'67 Ali. Heavyweights from the '60s were just cruiserweights compared to today's guys (generally).
     
  9. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Do you think both Liston-Ali fights were fixed? It appears that Sonny may have had an incentive to lose fight #1.
     
  10. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Kenmore,


    Oh Boy,,,,,,,,,,,Am I going to get clobbered on this answer.

    YES

    Sonny had an incentive to lose both fights.........Mucho Dinero plus other gifts..