Did Ali have the easiest Heavyweight reign 65'-67'

Well **** head, you quoted what it originally said yourself:

"Cleveland Williams-He had not been shot yet, you twat. Do you know anything. This was his prime run."

How is this contradicted? Cleveland Williams was shot Nov. 1964, he was in his prime up until that point. Do you believe getting shot at the very end of the year, should knock him from the 1964 rankings I referenced?

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The NBA, you know an official SANCTIONING BODY, rated Cooper #1 briefly in the early 1960s. :hi:

 

Circumstance sometimes makes fights - as it turned out Machen would've undoubtably given Ali a better fight than Patterson - and styles also make fights and I personally think Machen gives Ali an awkward time styles wise - moot point I know - Machen had a nervous breakdown at some point as well which no doubt threw a major spanner in the works aswell

 

His prime run? He lost to Terrell a few fights before, how was this his prime run? And why would you see fit to edit anyway?

 

Cooper also defeated Erskine three times, and it's not like Erskine was that bad. He scored a nice victory over Pastrano, which you also conveniently failed to mention and had that win over Chuvalo (albeit by DQ, which you failed to note as well).

The fact remains is that, for the most part, Ali fought and defeated the contenders that were available to him. You can spin it all you want, but he met and defeated quite a few legitimate Top 10 contenders in a very short period of time, and that's worthy of note, at the very least.

So he missed a couple (or didn't get the chance to fight the,)...That happens to everybody. Marciano didn't fight Valdes or Walls, or Henry or Satterfield. Guess that makes his reign pretty bogus, too, doesn't it?:deal

 

The Williams title shot was arguably the biggest farce of all, no mean feat when someone like Brian London fights for the world crown. Big Cat's top 10 ranking was based purely on what he'd done before he was shot. He did nothing on his comeback to earn that kind of ranking. In fact, he didn't even deserve a top 30 ranking based on who he beat in 1966. It's nice that he was able to make some cash after what happened to him but if we're honest, he had no business fighting for the Big One. Even his hometown supporters booed his win over Sonny Moore a couple of fights before he took on Ali.

 

Not bloody likely. Patterson and Ingo spent 1960 jousting for the top spots. By 1961, Folley would have done took Cooper out and Liston would claim his long held number one contender status. Later pal.

 

By the way, I have to add, being as active as Clay in those two years a fighter is bound to take on some (relative) no-hopers. Not entirely his fault, but if we're examing the quality of the opposition, then we have to be honest and say it isn't that good.

 

Only one of us is correct. Take a wild guess who. :blurp

 

Terrell beat prime Cleveland Williams...ok, I guess Williams never had a prime. :roll:

 

hahaha Cockell - fair dues that was a **** defence for Rocky - but you are way off the mark - fatter than Cooper he may have been but shitter he most definately was NOT - Cockell had more talent than Cooper by a country mile - Cockell used Cooper as a sparring partner - that's about the strength of it - Cockell beat the likes of Lloyd Marshall twice, Freddie Beshore, Harry Kid Matthews twice, Roland LaStarza (if you can name me a more talented bunch of fighters that Henry Cooper beat I'd be interested to hear) - oh and Don was European & British Lightheavyweight champion aswell as British Heavyweight Champion just like Cooper - Cooper may have produced a careers best performance in besting Folley in 1958 but fact is Folley brought everyone back to reality in 1962 when he blasted Cooper out in 2 rounds

 

I would say you...

1960 had Patterson and Ingo on top as they traded the title.
1961 had Liston and Foley..Liston held the spot for years.

Cooper was out of the top 5 Ring Rankings by 62. If he was regarded as the number one contender by any organization in this time I would certainly question its credibility, Liston was most certainly the top guy after KOing Folley.

Irrrelevant at any rate, if Cooper ever held a top spot by the NBA it was deservingly so after he upset Folley. It is no diservice to the era in that case, as Cooper earned it with one hell of a victory.

 

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But by the time Ali fought Chuvalo in March of 1966, Machen was considered to be on the downside of his career, with losses to Ramos (who Chuvalo defeated, btw), and Mildenberger. He'd already been eviscerated by Patterson, and it's likely that Ali would have done much the same thing.

Chuvalo fought up or down to the level of his opponents. He stepped up his game and gave Ali a pretty hard fight. Meanwhile, Machen more than likely going to be demolished because his punch resistance was going, and he didn't have anything to keep a younger, bigger, faster opponent at bay.

It wouldn't have been close, and it probably wouldn't have done Ali's legacy that much good.

 

You seem to be having doubts, i would too if I were you.

Yeah, forget the NBA's credibility, talk about Ring's- handing a Top 6 rating to Williams for looking like a 5th rater and having his hometown boo the decision when he looked the loser with a fighter outside the top 30. :yep